What is the difference between Drummond and Jeremy Tyler?

[Who]

Andre Drummond has proven, at the bare minimum, to be an NBA level defender/rebounder which is more than Jeremy Tyler had shown playing abroad.

What constitutes a NBA level defender?  I don't understand the talk about Drummond being a defensive monster for Uconn last year.  He was such a defensive monster for Uconn that they were pretty terrible on defense and struggled to rebound last year.  I expected a guy with his defensive tools to have a bigger impact than he did, despite his youth.

His rebounding numbers were not too stellar and while he averaged a good amount of blocks, it was in the vein of DeAndre Jordan, not overly impactful.  I didn't see him display the motor or defensive IQ to shut down the paint like a defensive monster can.

NBA level defender/rebounder = average or better defender/rebounder in the NBA at his respective position (center in this case)

Would you agree with that? For Drummond? Or not?

[IrishGold18]

I'm pretty sure if Tyler had played in the Big East last year he could have done better than 10ppg and 7rpg. 

I just don't see the big deal with Drummond. Either that or people should be freaking out about Jeremy Tyler the way they are about Drummond I would think.

i like to think that either tyler or drummond would be welcome addition to the celtics. i truly feel that Doc can turn any center with upside into a serviceable big man in our defensive rotations. our rotations, given time turned both steamer and hollins into adequate rotational players, so i can only imagine what doc could do if he was given someone of Drummond's upside, or tyler's for that matter as well!

[Chris]

I'm pretty sure if Tyler had played in the Big East last year he could have done better than 10ppg and 7rpg. 

I just don't see the big deal with Drummond. Either that or people should be freaking out about Jeremy Tyler the way they are about Drummond I would think.

i like to think that either tyler or drummond would be welcome addition to the celtics. i truly feel that Doc can turn any center with upside into a serviceable big man in our defensive rotations. our rotations, given time turned both steamer and hollins into adequate rotational players, so i can only imagine what doc could do if he was given someone of Drummond's upside, or tyler's for that matter as well!

Patty O'Bryant disagrees.

[IrishGold18]

I'm pretty sure if Tyler had played in the Big East last year he could have done better than 10ppg and 7rpg. 

I just don't see the big deal with Drummond. Either that or people should be freaking out about Jeremy Tyler the way they are about Drummond I would think.

i like to think that either tyler or drummond would be welcome addition to the celtics. i truly feel that Doc can turn any center with upside into a serviceable big man in our defensive rotations. our rotations, given time turned both steamer and hollins into adequate rotational players, so i can only imagine what doc could do if he was given someone of Drummond's upside, or tyler's for that matter as well!

Patty O'Bryant disagrees.

haha pretty sure both drummond and tyler, heck maybe even hollins were more athletic than patty obryant.  and hopefully better students under doc

[arambone]

"Yeah, Drummond is a once in a generation physical specimen, along the lines of Dwight Howard.  He is in a completely different stratosphere athletically from Tyler."

Did you research that, at all? They are almost identical athletically, and physically.

If Drummond had skipped his senior year of high school, and played last year in Tokyo, he'd be right in the mix with Melo and Ezeli.


Tyler           Drummond
Height 6'9"            6'9.75"
Wingspan 7'5"          7'6.25"
reach 9'2.5"           9'1.5"
no step vert 28"       31.5"
max vert 33.5"         33.5"
nostepmaxreach 11'6.5" 11'9"
max vert reach 12'     11'11"
Agility 11.26          10.83
sprint 3.29            3.39

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2012&source=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

[Chris]

"Yeah, Drummond is a once in a generation physical specimen, along the lines of Dwight Howard.  He is in a completely different stratosphere athletically from Tyler."

Did you research that, at all? They are almost identical athletically, and physically.

If Drummond had skipped his senior year of high school, and played last year in Tokyo, he'd be right in the mix with Melo and Ezeli.


Tyler           Drummond
Height 6'9"            6'9.75"
Wingspan 7'5"          7'6.25"
reach 9'2.5"           9'1.5"
no step vert 28"       31.5"
max vert 33.5"         33.5"
nostepmaxreach 11'6.5" 11'9"
max vert reach 12'     11'11"
Agility 11.26          10.83
sprint 3.29            3.39

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2012&source=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

Combine results are not necessarily representative of how athletic someone is on a basketball floor. 

[clover]

What's striking about Drummond is that he is still only 18.  

When Tyler was the age Drummond was at UConn, he was averaging 2 points per game in Israel before quitting and returning home after 10 games.

They both have similarities in their athleticism, though I'd give the edge there to Drummond, and in concerns about their maturity as they swerved a bit on their professional path--though again I'd give Drummond the advantage there in getting less off track, he only missed his college year summer preseason by declaring secretly at the last minute.

[arambone]

Jeremy Tyler was just about the top ranked prospect in his class, for years. If he had stayed in high school for his senior year, and played one year of college ball for a high exposure program, he would have just about the same hype Drummond has now.

Everybody pretty much admitted as much in the run-up to last year's draft.

If anybody has been following the recent pograms in Tel Aviv Israel lately, against genocide-fleeing Sudanese refugees, you know that Israel has a major problem with racism against black people.

One top Israeli politician went so far as to say last month that Israel "belongs to the white man".

More detention camps are being built to lock up the genocide-fleeing black refugees as we speak, as the non-white man refugees are being removed from society.

Tyler went to Israel on the recommendation of a Jewish agent, but Tyler was playing with a bunch of indoctrinated white soldiers and former soldiers.

Not a good situation for a 17 year old black kid of limited maturity and intelligence.

Brandon Jennings played in Europe, where teams and societies are much more diverse and less segregated on racial/religious lines.

Tyler surely had some questionable guidance by his family and associates, and surely had more maturity issues than Drummond, but Drummond has his own serious questions about rudimentary basketball instincts and heart.

Nobody is drafting Drummond in the top 10 because of his production, and it's not because of his feel for the game either. It's all based on his athleticism, potential, and his exposure playing college basketball.