Celtics are +12.7 per 48 minutes with KG on the floor in the playoffs

[Snakehead]

He's carried us for much of these playoffs.

Rondo gets a lot of credit for his play, but the dominant big man makes us a contender... and KG has been phenomenal, dominant and consistent throughout these entire playoffs.

  It's interesting, but they seem to both be carrying the team, but in different ways. KG carries the team from mediocre to good, Rondo carries the team from good to great. We couldn't stay in the game against Miami with a front court of Bass, Steamer and Hollins but we would have no chance of matching the play of LeBron and Wade without Rondo. KG is strong and steady, Rondo is frequently spectacular.

Well put, TP.

It's like you need the D that KG provides to be able to succeed, but then Rondo helps provide the offense that gets you over the top in those tough, defensive games.

[celtsfan84]

He's carried us for much of these playoffs.

Rondo gets a lot of credit for his play, but the dominant big man makes us a contender... and KG has been phenomenal, dominant and consistent throughout these entire playoffs.

  It's interesting, but they seem to both be carrying the team, but in different ways. KG carries the team from mediocre to good, Rondo carries the team from good to great. We couldn't stay in the game against Miami with a front court of Bass, Steamer and Hollins but we would have no chance of matching the play of LeBron and Wade without Rondo. KG is strong and steady, Rondo is frequently spectacular.

Well put, TP.

It's like you need the D that KG provides to be able to succeed, but then Rondo helps provide the offense that gets you over the top in those tough, defensive games.

Yeah, the two of them have grown into a pretty magical combo for the C's this year.

Was anyone else thrilled not to see any of Hollins and Steimsma (aside from one play)?  Wonder if Doc continues to go small with Bosh back.

[Bankshot]

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/

Select Player versus team and you can look at the playoffs on/off for KG.

KG versus the Heat in the playoffs, they shoot 40% when he's on the court and 67% when he's off it.

Thanks.  I wonder if that number changed after last night's game or if the number was attributable to all teams, I'm not sure.  I'm pretty sure the number I saw was 85%.  Maybe that number was wrong, because there were no links to the stat.

The numbers I cited were just for the Heat series, the Philly/Atlanta series will change the numbers if included.

Still the number wouldn't be 85%, that's too big a swing given the relative sample size.

It was probably a single game's on/off.

I found it on Realgm.  

The Heat shot 38% with KG on the floor, 85% with KG on the bench....yes you read that right, 85%.

Turns out that stat is only for game 3, not the whole series.

[manl_lui]

love that stat. Come on, let's upset these cHeat. Would love to have KG back and I think he will be back. As much of a trash talker he is, he is an extremely loyal person.

[Vermont Green]

KG has been the most impactful player on the Celtics and these stats prove out what I believe is quite obvious from just watching the games.  It it true that KG's importance may be magnified by the talent (lack of) of his back-ups but that issue exists to a large degree up and down the roster.  Dooling is not exactly a world class back up either but when Rondo is off the court, the drop off is nothing like the drop off when KG sits.

Rondo's game 2 was huge because it changed the way Miami is coveirng him.  Miami is really good and we need everyone to play well to beat them.  Last night we won with KG only scoring 17 pts which means we had a lot more balanced scoring than the to date playoffs.  That balance came largely from Dooling (10) and Allen (16) providing unexpectedly good games to go along with PP, RR, and KG being solid and Bass being good enough.  I hope this is a trend that continues (more balance).  I am still waiting for Bass to have his one big game and I still hold out hope that Pietrus can make an impact by stringing together some 3's to tip the scales in a game.  I think we will need all of the above in game 5.

[BballTim]

KG has been the most impactful player on the Celtics and these stats prove out what I believe is quite obvious from just watching the games.  It it true that KG's importance may be magnified by the talent (lack of) of his back-ups but that issue exists to a large degree up and down the roster.  Dooling is not exactly a world class back up either but when Rondo is off the court, the drop off is nothing like the drop off when KG sits.

  When KG's on the bench our defense is .33 ppp worse. That's an absolutely enormous difference. Again, KG is playing great, but I think that you're underestimating how bad the backup bigs have been compared to Dooling. The fact that we're going without a center rather than play them at all is fairly telling.

[LooseCannon]

According to adjusted +/-, which takes into account teammates and opponents on the floor, the only Celtics with a positive adj +/- in the playoffs are Garnett, Rondo, and Bradley.  (There are other formulations of ADJPM that may say differently.)

[CelticsPrideKG]

Is there anyone on this forum who could provide some sort of historical context to these stats?

Seriously, I've never seen one player make so much impact for a team as KG for this 2012 Celtics squad in the playoffs.  They don't even resemble a playoff team when he's on the bench.  Rondo is just as important for their ability to advane, but at least Dooling has provided some decent minutes at times during this series.

[Prof. Clutch]

Thought this was interesting from P Flanns article on WEEI today:

Without a scoring threat to defend, Garnett is thus free to roam the paint and cause havoc. When Garnett is in there to protect the paint, the Heat are shooting 62 percent at the rim. When he’s not they’ve made a shocking 22-of-23 shots at the rim. (That’s 96 percent, by the way. Ninety-six percent!) A KG with no one to check on the defensive end is a dangerous KG and the key to the Celtics’ halfcourt schemes.

http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2012/06/04/the-chris-bosh-effect/

[pearljammer10]

What's even more amazing, I saw a stat the other day that said that the Celtics opponents shot something like 36% when KG was on the floor and 85% when KG was off the floor. If someone can find that stat and post it, I'd appreciate it - I don't know how to find that kind of stuff.

this is the one that stands out most to me. this is just silly absurd,