Should we have seen some Steamer the last game?

[Senninsage]

Naturally, yes, he has been our best shot blocker.

[j804]

Absolutely not. He has contributed nothing in the playoffs and belongs where he is, on the bench.

What I have seen of Stiemsma in the playoffs has been bad and I agree with Coach. He had a good game 1 vs Atlanta and since then has look terribly slow on rotations, unable to handle the athletic big men the Celtics have faced in a one on one defensive situation(Smith, Horford, and Lavoy Allen have made him look bad), and even his offense looks scared and slow. He's had tons of open 15 footers and doesn't take them and his picks are slow coming and late.


And this perplexes me because the last month of the season Stiemsma looked like a solid back up center. Now he looks to be where he should be, sitting on the bench.

Nick, you did it to me in the game thread so eat some crow now will you Steamer was a stud tonight 

[gar]

Doc has only played Bass 20 or so minutes a game. Never understood it. Hollins has been getting Stiemers and Bass' minutes and it makes no sense.

[hpantazo]

I was wrong, Steimsma stepped up and played a great game today. I'm very glad he did and I give him credit, and admit I was wrong to say Doc should sit him.

[Q_FBE]

Steamer did out there tonight, I wish he had played the last game  where he might have made a difference and we would be in the Clubhouse waiting for My Hammy Cheat - Lebron Traveling and Hoosier Daddy - Larry Bird to finish. But then again we need to practice closing out on the road because we will have to do it in the near future.

[mctyson]

The one thing I don't like about some Stiemer comments are those that say he is not athletic, or he is less athletic than Hollins.  BS. To be as good of a shot blocker as Stiemer is, you have to be quick and agile, if not with a 35 in vert.

Yah Hollins runs better and can dunk better...that is, when he is not falling all over himself.  But Stiemer is sneaky athletic and his offensive game is just light years better than Hollins.

[clover]

I was wrong, Steimsma stepped up and played a great game today. I'm very glad he did and I give him credit, and admit I was wrong to say Doc should sit him.

TP for you.

[Fafnir]

I was wrong, Steimsma stepped up and played a great game today. I'm very glad he did and I give him credit, and admit I was wrong to say Doc should sit him.

He made it a point to be an offensive threat, that meant Doc could actually put up with his inconsistent ability to keep up with the smaller Philly players.

His board work was frustrating, he'd get good position but wouldn't finish it off with the board a couple of times. Nice to see KG get some serious help from the rest of the PF/Cs for a game.

[clover]

I was wrong, Steimsma stepped up and played a great game today. I'm very glad he did and I give him credit, and admit I was wrong to say Doc should sit him.

He made it a point to be an offensive threat, that meant Doc could actually put up with his inconsistent ability to keep up with the smaller Philly players.

His board work was frustrating, he'd get good position but wouldn't finish it off with the board a couple of times. Nice to see KG get some serious help from the rest of the PF/Cs for a game.

Stiemer was boarding like crazy through the Atlanta series and all it got him was his usual minutes given to Hollins, who was hardly rebounding at all.

Stiemer to me looks like he can actually do a surprising number of things well on the NBA level--with blocks, rebounds, shooting, scoring, and even defensive rotations, assists and steals for a big man.

But he can't yet do them all at once, as he's still thinking too many of the pieces rather than reacting instinctively.  He landed here without a preseason to speak of, then has been playing hurt without the ability to practice for the better part of the year.  Clearly he's been humbly trying to learn and get better.  Sure he had some tough match ups and missed some things defensively at the start of the playoffs--when none of the team was playing well--and then it snowballed a little bit as he knew he'd get yanked by Doc for slight provocation.

So getting those early scores and buying himself some breathing room last night was big.  Let's hope he's going to ride a swing of relative confidence and good play now just as he did in the second half of the season.

[jgod213]

I was wrong, Steimsma stepped up and played a great game today. I'm very glad he did and I give him credit, and admit I was wrong to say Doc should sit him.

He made it a point to be an offensive threat, that meant Doc could actually put up with his inconsistent ability to keep up with the smaller Philly players.

His board work was frustrating, he'd get good position but wouldn't finish it off with the board a couple of times. Nice to see KG get some serious help from the rest of the PF/Cs for a game.

Stiemer was boarding like crazy through the Atlanta series and all it got him was his usual minutes given to Hollins, who was hardly rebounding at all.

Stiemer to me looks like he can actually do a surprising number of things well on the NBA level--with blocks, rebounds, shooting, scoring, and even defensive rotations, assists and steals for a big man.

But he can't yet do them all at once, as he's still thinking too many of the pieces rather than reacting instinctively.  He landed here without a preseason to speak of, then has been playing hurt without the ability to practice for the better part of the year.  Clearly he's been humbly trying to learn and get better.  Sure he had some tough match ups and missed some things defensively at the start of the playoffs--when none of the team was playing well--and then it snowballed a little bit as he knew he'd get yanked by Doc for slight provocation.

So getting those early scores and buying himself some breathing room last night was big.  Let's hope he's going to ride a swing of relative confidence and good play now just as he did in the second half of the season.

Steamy's teammates did a great job of finding him near the basket and he did a nice job attacking when given the opportunity, but he did struggle trying to keep up with the movement and rotations of the Philly "bigs" defensively.  As Faf said, the only way he was going to stay out there is if he gave it right back to them offensively.

[OmarSekou]

The one thing I don't like about some Stiemer comments are those that say he is not athletic, or he is less athletic than Hollins.  BS. To be as good of a shot blocker as Stiemer is, you have to be quick and agile, if not with a 35 in vert.

Yah Hollins runs better and can dunk better...that is, when he is not falling all over himself.  But Stiemer is sneaky athletic and his offensive game is just light years better than Hollins.

I've said Hollins is more athletic and what I mean by that is that he runs better, jumps higher and is quicker. But he's completely uncoordinated and looks like a baby giraffe most times.

Steamer has slow feet, but he slides really well...he's coordinated so he actually has control over his body. The thing that's special about him is his timing. He knows when to jump and how high. He's also bigger and stronger than Hollins.

They have different types of athleticism, but when people say athletic they are generally referring to the most obvious measurables (jumping and running in basketball).

What happens with Steamer sometimes is he'll miss a rotation on defense or not close or recover as fast as Hollins does. Or he won't be able to get out ahead of a fast break to get Rondo an easy assist. Those are the "athletic" things that Hollins does well. But Steamer is definitely better and if he's not injured I don't see why he isn't playing more (although I think both should get minutes because Hollins' energy is infectious). At the very least I feel like Steamer could shut down Brand and Hawes and be an x-factor on offense.

[Fafnir]

I was wrong, Steimsma stepped up and played a great game today. I'm very glad he did and I give him credit, and admit I was wrong to say Doc should sit him.

He made it a point to be an offensive threat, that meant Doc could actually put up with his inconsistent ability to keep up with the smaller Philly players.

His board work was frustrating, he'd get good position but wouldn't finish it off with the board a couple of times. Nice to see KG get some serious help from the rest of the PF/Cs for a game.

Stiemer was boarding like crazy through the Atlanta series and all it got him was his usual minutes given to Hollins, who was hardly rebounding at all.

Stiemer to me looks like he can actually do a surprising number of things well on the NBA level--with blocks, rebounds, shooting, scoring, and even defensive rotations, assists and steals for a big man.

But he can't yet do them all at once, as he's still thinking too many of the pieces rather than reacting instinctively.  He landed here without a preseason to speak of, then has been playing hurt without the ability to practice for the better part of the year.  Clearly he's been humbly trying to learn and get better.  Sure he had some tough match ups and missed some things defensively at the start of the playoffs--when none of the team was playing well--and then it snowballed a little bit as he knew he'd get yanked by Doc for slight provocation.

So getting those early scores and buying himself some breathing room last night was big.  Let's hope he's going to ride a swing of relative confidence and good play now just as he did in the second half of the season.

His board work has never been the true issue about his playing time, its been his defensive mobility. Hollins/Bass aren't better options for defending the glass certainly.

My last statement was just that he looked to be in such good position at least 3 or 4 times but couldn't get it. (once was an offensive board that bounced the otherside of the rim and the others were balls that ended up being C's team rebounds anyways)

It is his mobility, he's having a tough time closing out effectively and rotating with Philly's bigs and got beat to a loose ball once or twice (the Holiday offensive board was one of them)

His feet could be a big part of that, but who knows.

[Fafnir]

I was wrong, Steimsma stepped up and played a great game today. I'm very glad he did and I give him credit, and admit I was wrong to say Doc should sit him.

He made it a point to be an offensive threat, that meant Doc could actually put up with his inconsistent ability to keep up with the smaller Philly players.

His board work was frustrating, he'd get good position but wouldn't finish it off with the board a couple of times. Nice to see KG get some serious help from the rest of the PF/Cs for a game.

Stiemer was boarding like crazy through the Atlanta series and all it got him was his usual minutes given to Hollins, who was hardly rebounding at all.

Stiemer to me looks like he can actually do a surprising number of things well on the NBA level--with blocks, rebounds, shooting, scoring, and even defensive rotations, assists and steals for a big man.

But he can't yet do them all at once, as he's still thinking too many of the pieces rather than reacting instinctively.  He landed here without a preseason to speak of, then has been playing hurt without the ability to practice for the better part of the year.  Clearly he's been humbly trying to learn and get better.  Sure he had some tough match ups and missed some things defensively at the start of the playoffs--when none of the team was playing well--and then it snowballed a little bit as he knew he'd get yanked by Doc for slight provocation.

So getting those early scores and buying himself some breathing room last night was big.  Let's hope he's going to ride a swing of relative confidence and good play now just as he did in the second half of the season.

Steamy's teammates did a great job of finding him near the basket and he did a nice job attacking when given the opportunity, but he did struggle trying to keep up with the movement and rotations of the Philly "bigs" defensively.  As Faf said, the only way he was going to stay out there is if he gave it right back to them offensively.

Which really is the problem with Hollins as well, he doesn't rebound but defends better than Greg overall (at least in the playoffs, Greg was much better regular season).

Both have been ignored on the offensive end too much, Greg delivered last night by being aggresive and making shots. Hollins had his one bucket spoon fed him and he still missed it twice only to eventually tip it in.