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Michael Wilbon on Rondo
« on: March 05, 2012, 09:46:58 AM »

Offline ctrey

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I thought this was an outstanding observation. After yesterdays game Wilbon remarked: "There may be a few point guards who are better day to day, Rose, Paul, Westbrook maybe. But is there any point guard who can do what Rondo does? Anybody? There is nobody."

Seriously, I would love to watch Rondo play with just a couple of guys who could really get out and finish. I think it would be very hard to beat a team like that. They would still be the typical Doc coached defensive team coupled with the ability to put up some easy points in transition.

Rondo may not fit the standard basketball player mold but in my mind he is a top 20 player.

Re: Michael Wilbon on Rondo
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2012, 09:51:21 AM »

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We all believe in what Rondo can do.  We have seen to many times not to.


Unfortunately, good defensive teams/schemes can really take him out of that game.  He really needs to develop a more respectable jump shot to get teams to honor it more.  (yes, I know.  His shooting % is terrible right now.  Teams are still not respecting it since they allow him to take it.)

Re: Michael Wilbon on Rondo
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I thought this was an outstanding observation. After yesterdays game Wilbon remarked: "There may be a few point guards who are better day to day, Rose, Paul, Westbrook maybe. But is there any point guard who can do what Rondo does? Anybody? There is nobody."

I think this sums up the situation with Rondo very well.  He doesn't offer the shooting prowess of the other top PGs but he provides so many other things better than they do.  His passing is top rate (when focussed) and he's by far the best rebounder at his position.  his defense, when motivated, is excellent as well.
The key with Rondo, is keeping him focussed on playing hard and smart

Re: Michael Wilbon on Rondo
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2012, 11:53:35 AM »

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  Much of the solution to getting Rondo to be more consistent is getting guys who can consistently run with him.  He tends to disappear when we get stuck in the mud, walking the ball up the court and playing exclusively in the half court.

  It is very much like how Pierce seems to disappear for long stretches when we do actually get out into the open court.

  You can win and run in the NBA contrary to what most C's fans seem to believe.  You need to get stops, GET REBOUNDS and have guys who are willing to run.  Do that and Rondo instantly becomes a more consistently dominant player.

Re: Michael Wilbon on Rondo
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2012, 12:01:09 PM »

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I think people get so wrapped up in Rondo not being a great "shooter" that they fail to recognize that he's an very good scorer. For me, it's a really important distinction.

Also, his jump shooting from the elbows and above the foul line in general have improved slightly each year. He's hit his mid range jumpers with a lot more frequency this year than last.

As far as guys sagging off him, there are so many ways to get around that with some tweaking of your offensive set.

But without tweaking it, I'd tell Rondo to shoot the ball every time he's open, when someone is sagging off him, above the foul line. I'm very confident he could hit 40-42% of those shots. At least enough of them for guys to start inching closer to him, then he blows by...

Also, I'd much rather focus on what Rondo does well and surround him with players who cover his weaknesses. On our team, no one shoots like Ray, no one creates like Paul, no one passes like Rondo, no one defends like KG. It's the same with all teams, that's why it's a team game.

When Ray, Paul and KG were more in their primes, it was much easier for them to cover Rondo's "weak shooting" because they were more dominant offensively themselves. It's a little different now...

When KG, Ray and Paul were more in their prime when they first got here, the team was dominant with Rondo setting them all up. The big three aren't as dominant any longer.

But if you surround Rondo with the right, young, offensive weapons, he will shred you every night in the half court and on the break. He's not the "scorer", he's the play maker - he makes everyone else better offensively.

Rondo is like Magic Johnson as a play maker - he is that good with the ball to me. Magic Johnson wasn't Reggie Miller, he wasn't Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Michael Jordan. He was Magic Johnson, he primarily passed the ball to all the guys who could shoot - "better" than he ever hoped to shoot. Magic wasn't a "shooter" either, but he knew how to "score" when necessary, as does Rondo.

So for me, this relentless harping on Rondo's inability to shoot is like endlessly criticizing Ray because he just isn't a good ball handler and he really sucks at play making too, or saying "I just don't understand why Perkins can't hit just 1-2 three point shots a night. He really sucks at shooting threes...

Get Rondo the right group of young, talented guys who can defend and get up and down the court and you will once again have a very dominant team with Rondo leading the charge.

We're in a great position with draft picks and Cap space to do that over the next 2-3 years, by which time Rondo will be about 27-28.

Re: Michael Wilbon on Rondo
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2012, 12:08:23 PM »

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One thing that I keep thinking back to, was when Jason Kidd came into the NBA.  I was not so impresed , as I was looking at his shot. Which like Rondo left alot to be desired.  Eventually he became one of the best 3 point shooter in the NBA and his short range game became decent.

I still hold out hope for Rondo to get a jones for wanting to develop a nice jumper (like Bass) that he can count on , if nothing is opening up , shot clock is expiring , or making people play him a bit more honest and spread the floor more.

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One thing that I keep thinking back to, was when Jason Kidd came into the NBA.  I was not so impresed , as I was looking at his shot. Which like Rondo left alot to be desired.  Eventually he became one of the best 3 point shooter in the NBA and his short range game became decent.

I still hold out hope for Rondo to get a jones for wanting to develop a nice jumper (like Bass) that he can count on , if nothing is opening up , shot clock is expiring , or making people play him a bit more honest and spread the floor more.


That's my point.  When Kidd's three point shot became respectful, teams had to honor it on defense.  It gave him more room to attack.  It happened for him in NJ.  He went from being a top PG to being an MVP candidate. 


Rondo does not have to be Ray Allen.  He does not even need to Pierce.


But he needs to be a guy that teams have to think twice about leaving open. 

Re: Michael Wilbon on Rondo
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2012, 12:52:52 PM »

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He really needs to develop a more respectable jump shot to get teams to honor it more.  (yes, I know.  His shooting % is terrible right now.  Teams are still not respecting it since they allow him to take it.)

He just needs to work on his jump shot in the offseason, right?
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2012, 12:56:26 PM »

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He really needs to develop a more respectable jump shot to get teams to honor it more.  (yes, I know.  His shooting % is terrible right now.  Teams are still not respecting it since they allow him to take it.)

He just needs to work on his jump shot in the offseason, right?
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 :o Here we go.

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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2012, 01:39:34 PM »

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Re: Michael Wilbon on Rondo
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I am supportive of what Ainge stands for. He is a man who is constantly trying to better the team even if it means trading the untradables. In Rondo´s case I believe he would be VERY stupid to let him go UNLESS we got crazy offer for him and quite possibly there is a crazy offer waiting in the wings if he continues playing crazy-like like recent displays show. Being in company of Oscar and Wilt as the only three players of achieving what he achieved vs. NYK is quite extraordinary and in fact, warning signals should be sounding in Ainge´s office right now saying: "KEEP RONDO - MAKE USE OF EXPIRING CONTRACTS IN THE SUMMER"!
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Agreed. You need to rebuild around Rondo. Just get him shooters and guys who can rebound. We have draft picks and cap space to do it with, along with a nice young crop of players already in place.

It just depends on whether we can get the right "max chips" over the next 1-3 seasons.

Solid FA or draft pick / Wilcox or Aaron Gray Type/Stiemsma
Max guy PF / Bass / Triple J developing in the wings
Pierce / Jeff Green developing / draft pick
Pietrus / draft pick / Moore
Rondo / Bradley / anyone...

You're on your way...

Forget about if KG and Ray come back on the cheap. Bottom line is that we're in position to be stacked AND rebuilding if it all works out.

The home run would be:

D. Howard / Wilcox / Stiemsma
KG / Bass / Triple J
Pierce /Green / draft pick
Pietrus /Ray / Draft pick
Rondo / Bradley / Moore

You only use one max contract this off season, get more mileage out of KG, Pierce and Ray and then save money for free agent targets in 2013 and 2014.

That team above would shred the league next year. That's a bunch of bullies.

Rondo would tear teams apart nightly with those weapons on the floor.