Restoring some sanity here: Quality rebuilding talk, and how long will it take?

[PosImpos]

a) I expect Rondo, Avery, Green, Johnson, Moore, Stiemsma, 3 rookies (2 first round, 1 second round), Bass, perhaps a handful of cheap-ish veterans like Pietrus and Wilcox, and then a handful of vet. minimum mentors (e.g. Dooling).  Plenty of young guys and contributors on multi-year contracts who need to get integrated and developed.

You just named twelve guys without Pierce + any other signings.  Plus that contracts on that team does not even reach the salary floor unless you want to re-sign Jeff Green to huge money.  So I don't know how you got that.

Sign Green to something like the one year 8-9 million qualifying offer we were going to give him this season, sign Bass to a 3-4 year deal for just over 7 million a year, sign Pietrus / Wilcox (or a couple players like them) to a deals paying 3-4 million a year . . . and so on.  Won't be hard to be at the salary minimum that way.

In any case, I named 12 players --- 3 relatively young and hopefully long term, proven contributors, a couple of veteran role players, and 7+ young guys needing lots of development time.  Not much room for veterans wanting to play a large role on the team.

[birdbrady]

Sign Green to something like the one year 8-9 million qualifying offer we were going to give him this season,

Can't.  He's an unrestricted free agent now:

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7433745/boston-celtics-withdrew-qualifying-offer-jeff-green-now-ufa

Qualifying offer is out the door.  And I got no interest in signing Jeff Green to a long term deal at 8-9M.  Green's career PER = 12.8.  That means he's nothing more than a rotation guy.  Danny is going to have to bite the bullet on that one I think.  Don't try to save face on the Perkins trade by re-upping what we know now is an overrated Jeff Green (much less a Jeff Green coming off heart surgery.)  The Perk trade was bad, but I forgive him for it.  Move on.

sign Bass to a 3-4 year deal for just over 7 million a year,

Yikes, keeping some cap flexibility is important.  If you want to meet he salary floor, why not just Bass to a similar deal GS gave Kwame this year (1 yr - 7/8M)  Don't tie your hands long term.  Maintaining flexibility is imperative to a rebuild.  No matter what way you do it.

sign Pietrus / Wilcox (or a couple players like them) to a deals paying 3-4 million a year . . . and so on.  Won't be hard to be at the salary minimum that way.

1-2 year deals at best.

In any case, I named 12 players --- 3 relatively young and hopefully long term, proven contributors, a couple of veteran role players, and 7+ young guys needing lots of development time.  Not much room for veterans wanting to play a large role on the team.

Moore is on the bubble for next year's roster, no matter how the roster is shaped or what method we take.  He's on a team RIGHT NOW with a PG younger than he is and he's getting outplayed, and he's had plenty of chances himself.  And Stiemsma will be 27 next year so you can't call him a 'young guy.'  He is what he is at this point, a borderline NBA player.

[Marcus13]

Yall want to give a guy you had brain surgery, hasn't played basketball in two years, and was mediocre at best when he did play for 8-9 million a year?

Talk about over-valuing former Celtics players.  Green is going to land a Delonte West deal next season.

[Fafnir]

Yall want to give a guy you had brainheart surgery, hasn't played basketball in two years, and was mediocre at best when he did play for 8-9 million a year?

Talk about over-valuing former Celtics players.  Green is going to land a Delonte West deal next season.

Fixed.

[birdbrady]

Yall want to give a guy you had brain surgery, hasn't played basketball in two years, and was mediocre at best when he did play for 8-9 million a year?

Not me.  My reason: career 12.8 PER.  The fact that he had heart surgery is all the more reason not to give him anywhere NEAR that money.

Some will say "but we gave him 9M this year!"  Yea, one year contract.  Give him one more chance to see if he can live up to his billing of being the 5th pick in the draft.  Signing him long-term would be an Isiah-like mistake.

Talk about over-valuing former Celtics players.  Green is going to land a Delonte West deal next season.

A little more than that.  I heard Washington is interested.  But that says it all there.  Washington.  Would be a perfect fit for him where he can continue piling up empty stats along with the rest of the losers on that squad (HELLO NICK YOUNG)

If we can get him at maybe 3-4M, I'd think about it.  Or maybe one year at 6M providing we don't get Dwight.  Other than that I got no interest in him.