Danny sure likes those future 2nd round picks

[Jeff]

just looked at this:

http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft

at the bottom it lists out future picks owed to other teams via trade and the Celtics have an extra pick in the 2013 2014 2015 2017 drafts

[BballTim]

  Haha. Top 55 protection on a 2nd round pick? The Kings have to be a top 5 team to lose those picks. It's funny just saying that.

[Who]

The three Sacramento 2nd round picks are heavily protected and unlikely to ever come to fruition.

The 2014 pick -- Paddy O'Bryant
The 2015 pick -- Sam Cassell
The 2017 pick -- Marquis Daniels

They only really have the 2013 Cavs second round pick from the Harangody + Erden trade.

Plus, the team owes NY a second round pick in 2014 from the Nate Robinson trade.

[Roy H.]

Yeah, a lot of those picks are just fake compensation given in deals that were straight salary dumps.  Since we were giving up both players and cash in the Cassell, POB, Marquis, etc., deals, teams had to send us an "asset" back.  That asset is in the form of "protected" second rounders that we'll never see.

The Minnesota pick we got from Cleveland is legit, though.

[Jeff]

  Haha. Top 55 protection on a 2nd round pick? The Kings have to be a top 5 team to lose those picks. It's funny just saying that.

didn't even realize that - yeah, I would consider that "unlikely"

[soap07]

Yeah, a lot of those picks are just fake compensation given in deals that were straight salary dumps.  Since we were giving up both players and cash in the Cassell, POB, Marquis, etc., deals, teams had to send us an "asset" back.  That asset is in the form of "protected" second rounders that we'll never see.

The Minnesota pick we got from Cleveland is legit, though.

I'm confused though, so they'll NEVER get the picks? How is that possible? Are they protected forever?

[the_Bird]

So, what happens with a "2014 second rounder, top 55 protected" if the Kings AREN'T one of the top teams?  Does the pick roll over indefinitely, or do they keep it and we're just out of luck?  Does it become unprotected at some point?

Like, the Clippers 1st rounder becomes unprotected in '16.  Does the same thing happen at some point with the second rounders?

[Roy H.]

So, what happens with a "2014 second rounder, top 55 protected" if the Kings AREN'T one of the top teams?  Does the pick roll over indefinitely, or do they keep it and we're just out of luck?  Does it become unprotected at some point?

Like, the Clippers 1st rounder becomes unprotected in '16.  Does the same thing happen at some point with the second rounders?

In this case, I believe the right to the pick expires. 

[Roy H.]

Yeah, a lot of those picks are just fake compensation given in deals that were straight salary dumps.  Since we were giving up both players and cash in the Cassell, POB, Marquis, etc., deals, teams had to send us an "asset" back.  That asset is in the form of "protected" second rounders that we'll never see.

The Minnesota pick we got from Cleveland is legit, though.

I'm confused though, so they'll NEVER get the picks? How is that possible? Are they protected forever?

They're "conditional".  If the condition isn't met -- i.e., the Kings having a pick from 55 - 60 in the designated year -- then we don't get the pick.

Basically, they're not assets.

[saltlover]

They were salary dumps, one way or the other.  Take for example the Marquis Daniels deal -- he was hurt, and we wanted to clear his roster spot.  We could have waived him, but would have had to still pay his salary (and I believe the luxury tax implications of it.)  While that wouldn't have been the end of the world, the Kings agreed to take on his salary for us, in part because they were under the minimum team salary threshold, and needed to pay someone something.  But you can't trade something for nothing, per NBA rules, so the Celtics needed to get something back -- hence a protected 2nd round pick that was effectively nothing, since no one really expects the Kings to be in the top 5 in the league anytime soon.  Obviously the Kings and Celtics have been doing these kinds of trades for years, and now the Celtics have a lot of these picks.  I'm fairly certain they could turn around and trade them to some other team if they were on the other side of a something-for-nothing deal, so they have some modicum of worth if we want to take on a player being dumped, and don't want to give up anything for the privilege (since our picks are tougher to protect based on us winning.)

The pick from Cleveland (which I believe is really Minnesota's) on the other hand, is a real pick, isn't protected, and should be at the beginning of the second round.  Everyone complained about the Erden-Gody deal for nothing but roster spots, but that pick has actual use, and at least under the present CBA, is at least as valuable as one of the last picks in the first round (because 2nd-rounders don't have guaranteed contracts like first-rounders.)  In our wild fantasies that involve us trading multiple draft picks and JO's contract for a star, that second-round pick shouldn't be overlooked.

[BballTim]

Yeah, a lot of those picks are just fake compensation given in deals that were straight salary dumps.  Since we were giving up both players and cash in the Cassell, POB, Marquis, etc., deals, teams had to send us an "asset" back.  That asset is in the form of "protected" second rounders that we'll never see.

The Minnesota pick we got from Cleveland is legit, though.

I'm confused though, so they'll NEVER get the picks? How is that possible? Are they protected forever?

  Nothing rolls over forever. We can't trade our first round draft pick in 2020 to anyone, there's a time limit on those, just like there was on the Minny 1st rounder that we sent back to them in the KG trade.

[Sizzlack]

Yeah, a lot of those picks are just fake compensation given in deals that were straight salary dumps.  Since we were giving up both players and cash in the Cassell, POB, Marquis, etc., deals, teams had to send us an "asset" back.  That asset is in the form of "protected" second rounders that we'll never see.

The Minnesota pick we got from Cleveland is legit, though.

I'm interesting to see what Danny will do with the Clippers pick that year. There's a legit chance that the Celtics could move into a top 10 pick that year, assuming the Clippers fall outside the top 10 next year (I think they might, Bledsoe and Griffin are developing into a dynamic tandem.)

It they do, Boston goes into the 2013 draft with 4 picks (Clippers 1st round (via Thunder), plus it's own, Minnesota's second round (via Cleveland), plus it's own) there's a scenario where you could package the Clippers pick, likely to be in the 11-19 range, plus the second rounder from Minny, likely to be in the mid to low 30s, and move into a top 5 pick.

It's possible, and a really, really valuable asset to have in the trade market in 2013.

[paulcowens]

Danny likes late picks because they are blame free.  When you pick high and it doesn't work out so well (Jeff Green) it's a huge blot on a gm's career.  Nobody blames you if later picks don't work out, and if they do, you are looked upon as a genius.   Win win.

[slamtheking]

Considering he's picked up Gomes, Powe, BBD, Walker, Semih and Luke in the second round --> all guys still collecting NBA paychecks -- I have no problem with him accumulating as many as he can.  Too bad Sac's picks will not come to fruition unless their youth movement develops exceedingly quickly.