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Re: How much blame does Doc deserve since the trade?
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2011, 09:56:32 AM »

Offline FatjohnReturns

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Doc is struggling with rotations? There's a shocker. It's just not his thing. The problem is that Ainge made a trade that *required* a good in-game coach, since the trade was designed to increase the in-game flexibility of the Celtics. Thus, I'd also blame Ainge for making a trade that did not play to Doc's strength as a coach.

Ainges job is to do whats best for the team now and in the future. Not to"play to Doc's strength as a coach" Doc needs to step up his game just like he expects the players to.

Doc sticks to the same [dang] rotations even when the 2nd unit went on a 11-2 run in the late third quarter. His in-game adjustments are terrible  

Doc deserves more blame than the players. He needs to put them in a posistion to win.


Re: How much blame does Doc deserve since the trade?
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2011, 10:26:12 AM »

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Doc is struggling with rotations? There's a shocker. It's just not his thing. The problem is that Ainge made a trade that *required* a good in-game coach, since the trade was designed to increase the in-game flexibility of the Celtics. Thus, I'd also blame Ainge for making a trade that did not play to Doc's strength as a coach.

Ainges job is to do whats best for the team now and in the future. Not to"play to Doc's strength as a coach" Doc needs to step up his game just like he expects the players to.

Doc sticks to the same [dang] rotations even when the 2nd unit went on a 11-2 run in the late third quarter. His in-game adjustments are terrible  

Doc deserves more blame than the players. He needs to put them in a posistion to win.



I actually agree with you for the most part - this is *mostly* on Doc. I'm just saying that Ainge is on the hook as well. If you have a coach that isn't capable of something, e.g. coherent rotations, creating a new team that requires new, flexible rotations to succeed does not play to the strength of that coach. Ainge should have known that. It *is* Ainge's job to set up his team to be the most successful possible, and that includes issues surrounding the coach. If Ainge over-estimated Doc's ability to adapt the Celtics after the Perkins trade, that's Ainge's failure of judgment. It's mostly Doc's fault for not doing it - don't get me wrong - but this was entirely predictable given all of Doc's struggles with rotations in the past.

Re: How much blame does Doc deserve since the trade?
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2011, 10:39:38 AM »

Offline Assassin70

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Doc is struggling with rotations? There's a shocker. It's just not his thing. The problem is that Ainge made a trade that *required* a good in-game coach, since the trade was designed to increase the in-game flexibility of the Celtics. Thus, I'd also blame Ainge for making a trade that did not play to Doc's strength as a coach.

Ainges job is to do whats best for the team now and in the future. Not to"play to Doc's strength as a coach" Doc needs to step up his game just like he expects the players to.

Doc sticks to the same [dang] rotations even when the 2nd unit went on a 11-2 run in the late third quarter. His in-game adjustments are terrible  

Doc deserves more blame than the players. He needs to put them in a posistion to win.



I actually agree with you for the most part - this is *mostly* on Doc. I'm just saying that Ainge is on the hook as well. If you have a coach that isn't capable of something, e.g. coherent rotations, creating a new team that requires new, flexible rotations to succeed does not play to the strength of that coach. Ainge should have known that. It *is* Ainge's job to set up his team to be the most successful possible, and that includes issues surrounding the coach. If Ainge over-estimated Doc's ability to adapt the Celtics after the Perkins trade, that's Ainge's failure of judgment. It's mostly Doc's fault for not doing it - don't get me wrong - but this was entirely predictable given all of Doc's struggles with rotations in the past.

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Re: How much blame does Doc deserve since the trade?
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2011, 11:08:09 AM »

Offline DaDoc02

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I think the real reason why we keep losing is because we get out REBOUNDED.... If you look the game 89% of the time no two players stay back to attempt a rebound... If we rebound more we will win the game !!!!

Re: How much blame does Doc deserve since the trade?
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2011, 02:09:27 PM »

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but the nuttiest job that Doc consistently does (which i hope won't happen in the playoffs) is playing BBD and Krstic together.

With Shaq out and Jermaine on limited minutes, doesn't that pretty much mean either decreasing Baby's minutes by a ton or playing Troy Murphy a lot more?
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Re: How much blame does Doc deserve since the trade?
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2011, 03:01:10 PM »

Offline Eddie20

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Doc does deserve some blame for his rotations. I was pretty unhappy when he played Allen 44 minutes on a second night of a back to back. How many coaches in the league would have done that? Especially when you have Pierce and Green as your other swingmen and West, who can get minutes at the 2 as well. I mentioned that then and a lot of people argued that they weren't worried about Ray logging that many minutes in a game. Well, since that 44 minute game he has shot 39-97 from the field, but more importantly 12-38 from 3's. The dip in 3 pt accuracy is probably a good sign that his legs are pretty fatigued.

Doc's body language has also been pretty bad. There was that one game where he basically said the team was on their own in the final minutes (the hell with ubuntu!) and countless others where he basically looks miserable on the bench.