I brought this up in another thread, but didn't get a concrete answer. It looks like Miami has either 15 or 14 players under guaranteed contracts for next year as is. While I am sure this isn't the actual rules, I don't think they should be allowed to sign additional players if they are over the salary cap and are already at 15 guaranteed. That kind of goes against the allowing minimum guys if you are over the salary cap to fill out your roster clause.....
During the summer, teams can sign as many players as they want to minimum deals, and can have as many players on their roster as they want. (For instance, the Celtics currently have 16 players under contract). They have to get below 15 prior to opening night.
I understand that part Roy, and thanks for chiming in. However, I was referring more to fully guaranteed contracts. If I am not mistaken the Celtics have several players under non-guaranteed deals (Gafney, Layfayette, Erden). So the celtics are not really in the same boat. I believe one of the heat players is under non guaranteed signing, but the rest are meaning they are at either 14 or 15. Isn't this a different issue? If you are going over the salary cap to sign more then 15 guaranteed people you are going against the "filling out your roster clause" and should not be allowed to do it. Although I doubt that is really the rule..
My understanding of this is that you can have up to 20 players on your roster (all guaranteed deals is fine) prior to opening night of the season.
By opening night of the regular season ... or perhaps the end of October, one or the other ... you have to trim your roster down to 15 contracts or less.
If that is the case it is complete bs in my opinion. You can circumvent the salary cap to complete your roster with minimum guys. That makes a lot of sense to me. However, you shouldn't be able to circumvent the salary cap five extra times over what you could ever hold onto. That just makes a mockery of the cap. Also, I am aware they are paying luxery tax on these guys so the minimum deals are still costing two million, but even so it doesnt sit right with me...
Huh? It just allows them to bring players to camp on non-guaranteed deals (so they get paid while they are there), and have open competition.
Are you not reading carefully or am I not explaining well? Please see bold above. I am having a real hard time getting this point across. According to what Hobbs has stated you can sign up to 20 fully guaranteed contracts regardless of the salary cap. I'm not talking about signing guys to partial guarantee for camp competition, I'm talking about guaranteed deals. If Hobbs is correct, and you can sign 20 players to fully guaranteed contracts regardless of your salary cap position this is a serious loophole in the cba.
For example lets get away from the heat example cause maybe that is what is confusing people.
Lets say the celtics currently have 13 guaranteed players under contract. They are also over the salary cap. How many more players can they sign for the veterans minimum to guaranteed deals?
they can sign as many as they want, i guess...they just can't carry more than 15 into the season, and any players cut would be free to sign for the vet minimum for any other team.
I'm not sure what the issue is. It allows for offseason flexibility while teams are forming their rosters. for instance, if you want to make a trade during the season, you can't go over 15 players, so if you are at 15, and want to trade 2 players for 3, you have to cut one of your own players first to receive the 3 players. But in the offseason, when everyone's trying to figure out how to build their teams, it's fine. I think this is good.
Additionally, say a team is carrying 15 players under contract into the offseason. with the cap rules being how they are now, that team can sign a couple of guys to minimum deals and let them compete with the existing players, then cut the two that are least needed.
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