Do We Still Need A Defender?

[Bankshot]

I wouldn't underestimate Marquis.  He did a nice job on LeBron last year. 

I think the plan is to use him and possibly even Avery Bradley on some 2s (maybe D-Wade).  If there's anything Bradley comes in with reputation for, it's his defense, and that's rare for a rookie. 

I know Marquis is a pretty good defender, but my point he is always hurt and I don't know if we can count on him for a full season. 

I hope we somehow get Corey Brewer.  It would be a nice move for the future too.

[Who]

Due to Marquis Daniels' injury history and underwhelming performance last season + Von Wafer's injury history and attitude issues ...

I think it's very important that Boston signs a rotation worthy fifth wing to provide adequate depth behind these two.

Again, someone like a Keith Bogans. Or a Rodney Carney. Someone would be excellent.

[Who]

If an upgrade is available you definitely take it. Marquis and/or Von Wafer and/or Nate Rob aren't talented enough to turn down good talent.

I haven't looked at this in any detail yet but I would expect Nate to rank as a mediocre first guard off the bench + for Marquis to rank as a below average first wing off the bench.

You don't turn down quality talent because of that. So, if you can that superior player then you take him.

[EJPLAYA]

We beed big! Plain and simple. If we are to contend with the Lakers in the post then we need size. Sheed leaving makes a weakness (size) even weaker. A team full of guys under 6'9 will not win anything. Give me huge guys who can rebound against the Lakers!

The only way I want another smaller guy is if we trade one of our smaller guys for their more talented one. Not likely!

[Change]

We beed big! Plain and simple. If we are to contend with the Lakers in the post then we need size. Sheed leaving makes a weakness (size) even weaker. A team full of guys under 6'9 will not win anything. Give me huge guys who can rebound against the Lakers!

The only way I want another smaller guy is if we trade one of our smaller guys for their more talented one. Not likely!

Getting a big would remain priority # 1 (hopefully ShaQ). But if miraculously Corey becomes available, you go in.  Corey Brewer is a huge upgrade over Marquis & Von. He would solidify backup wing something that hasn't been done since Posey's departure.

[FallGuy]

Scoring and D are closely tied together in this case. Aging Paul and aging Ray will be less effective scorers in the playoffs when asked to guard the elite wings for heavy minutes. We can't even count on Quis to be healthy much less to pick up the slack on D.

Without adding a legit wing defender, I can't see this Boston team getting past Miami or L.A.

[Bankshot]

We beed big! Plain and simple. If we are to contend with the Lakers in the post then we need size. Sheed leaving makes a weakness (size) even weaker. A team full of guys under 6'9 will not win anything. Give me huge guys who can rebound against the Lakers!

The only way I want another smaller guy is if we trade one of our smaller guys for their more talented one. Not likely!

Getting a big would remain priority # 1 (hopefully ShaQ). But if miraculously Corey becomes available, you go in.  Corey Brewer is a huge upgrade over Marquis & Von. He would solidify backup wing something that hasn't been done since Posey's departure.

Why would it be miraculous if he becomes available?  They have a logjam at the 2/3 so I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were willing to give him up.  And he's probably behind Beasley and Martel Webster on the depth chart.

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I think the Celtics SG/SF defense will be fine with Pierce, Ray, Daniels and who ever else they add as long as they sure up the post/help defense down low till Perk returns.  


They need one more big body that can play good help defense at least until Perk is ready to return.

Injuries follow Daniels like White on Rice. I'd be very happy to have another wing with some young legs. Besides -- we have plenty of roster space left assuming we cut Lafayette (given) and Gaffney (given if we added Brewer).

Note that I posted a trade idea on this very topic some weeks ago:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=40292.0

It's changed a little because Sessions was traded. But the idea is the same.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2f64k3o

GSW dumps Ellis (the Cs send a 1st to GSW in the deal) with immediate financial relief. Minny stupidly takes Ellis because he can score alot! The Cs get Brewer for Sheed's deal.

[Bankshot]

I think the Celtics SG/SF defense will be fine with Pierce, Ray, Daniels and who ever else they add as long as they sure up the post/help defense down low till Perk returns.  


They need one more big body that can play good help defense at least until Perk is ready to return.

Injuries follow Daniels like White on Rice. I'd be very happy to have another wing with some young legs. Besides -- we have plenty of roster space left assuming we cut Lafayette (given) and Gaffney (given if we added Brewer).

Note that I posted a trade idea on this very topic some weeks ago:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=40292.0

It's changed a little because Sessions was traded. But the idea is the same.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2f64k3o

GSW dumps Ellis (the Cs send a 1st to GSW in the deal) with immediate financial relief. Minny stupidly takes Ellis because he can score alot! The Cs get Brewer for Sheed's deal.

I like it.  But does this mean that if we were to get Brewer it would likely have to be via 2 way trade?  I think if true, that makes it unlikely.

[More Banners]

We beed big! Plain and simple. If we are to contend with the Lakers in the post then we need size. Sheed leaving makes a weakness (size) even weaker. A team full of guys under 6'9 will not win anything. Give me huge guys who can rebound against the Lakers!

The only way I want another smaller guy is if we trade one of our smaller guys for their more talented one. Not likely!

Hmm...I think there are exceptions to this rule.  Although length is important, somehow the biggest center to ever play a superstar role never led the league in rebounds (Shaq, though he was very, very often close).  I'd take someone who can channel Dennis Rodman on the court (and ONLY on the court) over a Shawn Bradley-type any day.

While being undersized all-around would be tough, I don't think 1)it's as big of an issue/priority with bench players as it is with starters, and 2)it preceeds talent as a screening criteria.

[Fan from VT]

Kyle Weaver is getting cut by the Thunder. Young, and has been a good defender already and had a defensive reputation out of college. I'd rather have him than gaffney or lafayette, assuming they are traded or we end up not using them in a trade.

[Birdbrain]

We weren't getting by Cleveland and la last year and we replaced sheed with o'neal the same sheed everyone complained about all season.  Put me in the not overly concerned camp again.  We still have the most talented team in the East.  I suspect if DA can trade for another wing by deadline he will, if not we'll have to make do.

[Bankshot]

I think the Celtics SG/SF defense will be fine with Pierce, Ray, Daniels and who ever else they add as long as they sure up the post/help defense down low till Perk returns.  


They need one more big body that can play good help defense at least until Perk is ready to return.

Injuries follow Daniels like White on Rice. I'd be very happy to have another wing with some young legs. Besides -- we have plenty of roster space left assuming we cut Lafayette (given) and Gaffney (given if we added Brewer).

Note that I posted a trade idea on this very topic some weeks ago:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=40292.0

It's changed a little because Sessions was traded. But the idea is the same.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2f64k3o

GSW dumps Ellis (the Cs send a 1st to GSW in the deal) with immediate financial relief. Minny stupidly takes Ellis because he can score alot! The Cs get Brewer for Sheed's deal.

I like it.  But does this mean that if we were to get Brewer it would likely have to be via 2 way trade?  I think if true, that makes it unlikely.

I meant 3 way trade.

[Who]

Kyle Weaver is getting cut by the Thunder. Young, and has been a good defender already and had a defensive reputation out of college. I'd rather have him than gaffney or lafayette, assuming they are traded or we end up not using them in a trade.

If the C's didn't have a third string PG already ... I'd have liked Weaver as a utility player who can cover all three perimeter positions at a serviceable level.

However, with a third string PG and with Marquis' + Von Wafer's lack of dependability ... I would rather see Boston go after a more reliable / established role player to back them up. Rather than Weaver.

I'm not sure Boston can afford three point guards and six wings (new wing + Weaver) with their current big man situation. I want to see seven bigs on the roster.

But if Danny can't get that more reliable/proven role player than I would be happy with Weaver as a fall back option.