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Re: It's not what he did, it's how he did it.
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2010, 04:09:06 PM »

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Yeah, we'll see how that works out. They can put that team together pretty quickly though

Anthony / Kwame / another big body
Bosh / Haslem
Lebron / Mike Miller
Wade / Some Vet min guy
Chalmers / Arroyo

That's not bad. This could be, if the chemistry works out and they can fill it in right, comparable to if we hadn't gotten Ray, Pierce and KG all in their mid to late 20's.

I believe a KG, Ray and Pierce trio together from their mid 20's forward would put up 5-6 titles with the right help around them.

We'll see, it will make for a very interesting year. 

I don't think Mike Miller takes the minimum, when he can get something like $50/5 from the Clippers.

I think their pool is something like: Shaq, Haslem, Arroyo, House, Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas, Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown, Finley, Ratliff
I agree. Doesn't seem realistic to expect Miller to commit career suicide like that by accepting a ridiculously below market contract for a very diminished role on the team.
Mike Miller has already agreed to sign with the Heat. Five years $30 million.

Link? How does Miami have the funds with all the cap holds?


I am unable to search for the link right now, but Minny and Heat did a trade where Minny got Beas and Heat got a 2nd round pick or something.

So by moving Beas it allowed them to sign Miller.

Re: It's not what he did, it's how he did it.
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2010, 04:13:11 PM »

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Yes October you may be right re Miller. But I don't think they will have as hard of a time filling it out with guys who cna give them 10-15 rest a night as people think.

I have read several articles quoting reliable sources saying Miller is going to the Heat. He is going to take less money to go there.

http://www.csnwashington.com/07/09/10/Report-Mike-Miller-to-Join-the-Party-in-/landing_v3.html?blockID=268633&feedID=273


Re: It's not what he did, it's how he did it.
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2010, 04:19:20 PM »

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Yeah, we'll see how that works out. They can put that team together pretty quickly though

Anthony / Kwame / another big body
Bosh / Haslem
Lebron / Mike Miller
Wade / Some Vet min guy
Chalmers / Arroyo

That's not bad. This could be, if the chemistry works out and they can fill it in right, comparable to if we hadn't gotten Ray, Pierce and KG all in their mid to late 20's.

I believe a KG, Ray and Pierce trio together from their mid 20's forward would put up 5-6 titles with the right help around them.

We'll see, it will make for a very interesting year. 

I don't think Mike Miller takes the minimum, when he can get something like $50/5 from the Clippers.

I think their pool is something like: Shaq, Haslem, Arroyo, House, Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas, Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown, Finley, Ratliff
I agree. Doesn't seem realistic to expect Miller to commit career suicide like that by accepting a ridiculously below market contract for a very diminished role on the team.
Mike Miller has already agreed to sign with the Heat. Five years $30 million.

Link? How does Miami have the funds with all the cap holds?


I am unable to search for the link right now, but Minny and Heat did a trade where Minny got Beas and Heat got a 2nd round pick or something.

So by moving Beas it allowed them to sign Miller.

Even after trading Beasley, they're spending $50 million for the first year of Wade, Bosh, BronBron.

Minus 0.9 million for Chalmers.
Minus minimum cap holds for the remaining 8 slots - something like $4 million ---> or is there no such thing as cap holds for those unfilled spots?

If there aren't cap holds, then Miami has about 7 million to spend on role players. Thats kind of huge....

Re: It's not what he did, it's how he did it.
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2010, 04:22:06 PM »

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Yes October you may be right re Miller. But I don't think they will have as hard of a time filling it out with guys who cna give them 10-15 rest a night as people think.

I have read several articles quoting reliable sources saying Miller is going to the Heat. He is going to take less money to go there.

http://www.csnwashington.com/07/09/10/Report-Mike-Miller-to-Join-the-Party-in-/landing_v3.html?blockID=268633&feedID=273



Wow. Thats not good. If Miami lands 2 guys who can hold down the center position, they're firmly moving into the drivers seat next year. :-/

Re: It's not what he did, it's how he did it.
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2010, 04:24:43 PM »

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The Michael Beasley Era is ending as a grand new one is about to be unveiled for the Miami Heat.

In the wake of Thursday's addition of Cleveland Cavaliers free-agent forward LeBron James, and amid the need to clear additional cap space, the Heat late Thursday night traded Beasley, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2008 NBA Draft, to the Minnesota Timberwolves for a 2011 second-round draft choice, plus a future swap of first-round picks.

The Heat then turned around and reportedly utilized that $4.9 million in gained cap space on Washington Wizards free-agent swingman Mike Miller, who had a standing five-year, $30 million offer on the table from the Heat. Radio station KSFY in Miller's native South Dakota reported the deal early Friday morning.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-michael-beasley-s070810,0,6830775.story

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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2010, 04:26:35 PM »

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Yeah, we'll see how that works out. They can put that team together pretty quickly though

Anthony / Kwame / another big body
Bosh / Haslem
Lebron / Mike Miller
Wade / Some Vet min guy
Chalmers / Arroyo

That's not bad. This could be, if the chemistry works out and they can fill it in right, comparable to if we hadn't gotten Ray, Pierce and KG all in their mid to late 20's.

I believe a KG, Ray and Pierce trio together from their mid 20's forward would put up 5-6 titles with the right help around them.

We'll see, it will make for a very interesting year. 

I don't think Mike Miller takes the minimum, when he can get something like $50/5 from the Clippers.

I think their pool is something like: Shaq, Haslem, Arroyo, House, Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas, Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown, Finley, Ratliff
I agree. Doesn't seem realistic to expect Miller to commit career suicide like that by accepting a ridiculously below market contract for a very diminished role on the team.
Mike Miller has already agreed to sign with the Heat. Five years $30 million.

Link? How does Miami have the funds with all the cap holds?


I am unable to search for the link right now, but Minny and Heat did a trade where Minny got Beas and Heat got a 2nd round pick or something.

So by moving Beas it allowed them to sign Miller.

Even after trading Beasley, they're spending $50 million for the first year of Wade, Bosh, BronBron.

Minus 0.9 million for Chalmers.
Minus minimum cap holds for the remaining 8 slots - something like $4 million ---> or is there no such thing as cap holds for those unfilled spots?

If there aren't cap holds, then Miami has about 7 million to spend on role players. Thats kind of huge....
I don't know the exact details but the rough story is that LeBron, Wade and Bosh agreed to sign for a little less than the maximum - something like one million less or $1.5 million less apiece -- and they managed to free up almost $5 million in cap room and offered that to Mike Miller.

Re: It's not what he did, it's how he did it.
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2010, 04:35:51 PM »

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Yeah, we'll see how that works out. They can put that team together pretty quickly though

Anthony / Kwame / another big body
Bosh / Haslem
Lebron / Mike Miller
Wade / Some Vet min guy
Chalmers / Arroyo

That's not bad. This could be, if the chemistry works out and they can fill it in right, comparable to if we hadn't gotten Ray, Pierce and KG all in their mid to late 20's.

I believe a KG, Ray and Pierce trio together from their mid 20's forward would put up 5-6 titles with the right help around them.

We'll see, it will make for a very interesting year. 

I don't think Mike Miller takes the minimum, when he can get something like $50/5 from the Clippers.

I think their pool is something like: Shaq, Haslem, Arroyo, House, Raja Bell, Kurt Thomas, Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown, Finley, Ratliff
I agree. Doesn't seem realistic to expect Miller to commit career suicide like that by accepting a ridiculously below market contract for a very diminished role on the team.
Mike Miller has already agreed to sign with the Heat. Five years $30 million.
Ah, that makes more sense. A minimum deal would have been ridiculous.

Re: It's not what he did, it's how he did it.
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2010, 04:37:04 PM »

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I have to agree with the OP. Good Post.

I have thought about this all day, and yes I believe he could've done it differently. Now is this all on Lebron or do we blame his handlers?

I even thought about the way KG left Minny...but then it was no comparison. KG had spent almost all of his energy in Minny - they weren't going to win anything else with that squad. Same with Ray Ray.

Plus, Boston sold almost the entire farm to get KG and Ray.

What is CLE getting out of the deal? TOR? Just cap space?

If Lebron had chosen to stay In CLE I think they were still a playoff team - a deep playoff team.

But he chose to leave, and to me, yes he could've done it differently. There was no doubt in my mind that Dan Gilbert and Co. would've continued to try to get Lebron help.

I'm just a little old-fashioned, and I spent most of the night telling my oldest son that this is not how you do business.

Thank God he listens to me.

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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2010, 04:48:07 PM »

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Yeah, we'll see how that works out. They can put that team together pretty quickly though

Anthony / Kwame / another big body
Bosh / Haslem
Lebron / Mike Miller
Wade / Some Vet min guy
Chalmers / Arroyo

That's not bad. This could be, if the chemistry works out and they can fill it in right, comparable to if we hadn't gotten Ray, Pierce and KG all in their mid to late 20's.

I believe a KG, Ray and Pierce trio together from their mid 20's forward would put up 5-6 titles with the right help around them.

We'll see, it will make for a very interesting year. 

Nice Potential Lineup, but as it looks, a team with decent Bigs (LA, Boston, ORL) will punish MIA. Their only hope, to me, is to get Shaq, and only Shaq. I read on the boards that Ben Wallace could help them, too, but they will need some length to deal with the teams I mentioned.

And even with Shaq, Dwight was nearly overcoming his size in their head to head matchups. Shaq's a Big Fella.

And in ORL-MIA games, I will love to see Bosh trying to chase Rashard Lewis around the court, like our KG did with much success in the playoffs.

I feel very good about our chances VS New MIA, with J.O. in the middle. J.O. has PF help now - maybe for the first time in his career.

And when we get Perk back - that will neutralize MIA's potential signing of Shaq.

Re: It's not what he did, it's how he did it.
« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2010, 04:50:45 PM »

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No it is what LeBron did and it definitely is how he did it.
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Re: It's not what he did, it's how he did it.
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2010, 04:53:23 PM »

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"It's not what he did, it's how he did it."

That's pretty much what I've been saying all day. I honestly thought there's no way he can get on national TV and break the hearts of Cleveland fans like that, that he'd only do that to announce he's staying. But low & behold, he flipped an entire city - state really - the bird in one fell swoop.

He had a right to leave, no question. But there was a far better way to do it than he did. Idk who's idea it was ultimately, but its ridic that no one in his camp said to him, "this may be a bad idea". I think he ultimately believed he could do that and the Ohio fans would still love him cuz he's Lebron. Maybe it was just me, but when they showed him a clip of fans burning his Jersey, he looked saddened and ready to bolt.

Esp for a city like Cleveland that has so much sports anguish. As Boston fans, we have 17 banners, the Patriots, and the Red Sox in 2004 and 2007. They have "The Drive", "The Fumble", "The Shot", and now "The Decision". From hometown hero to probably the most despised figure in Cleveland sports history - not because he left, because of HOW he left.
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It all boils down to Lebron is a liar,alone with Bosh and Wade.All three players came on TV,and told everything but the truth for a couple weeks.Bosh ws on the  Mike &Mike Show a few weeks ago,claiming he hadn't been in contact with Lebron for weeks.A reporter said last night they had their summit meeting in Akron at the end of June.The more they said the more i felt they were not telling the truth .They went out of their way to deceive the media and the city of Cleveland.Did or do i care,NO,because its not a Celtics player.  

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From a comment on Bill Simmons piece:

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When it came out that Brad Pitt was divorcing Jennifer Aniston for Angelina Jolie EVERY woman in the world wanted to hate Pitt. Yet, he handled his business and didn't talk about the reasons. Shortly after women weren't holding a grudge and couldn't even remember not loving him (absolutely amazing!). Why? Because he didn't call an hour long live TV spectacular to dump Jen for a hotter woman. After tonight no one will ever forget to hate LeBron.

:)

btw I did mention that Brón is the Irish word for Sadness, right?
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« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2010, 05:25:52 PM »

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From a comment on Bill Simmons piece:

City: Pittsburgh
Name: Michael
When it came out that Brad Pitt was divorcing Jennifer Aniston for Angelina Jolie EVERY woman in the world wanted to hate Pitt. Yet, he handled his business and didn't talk about the reasons. Shortly after women weren't holding a grudge and couldn't even remember not loving him (absolutely amazing!). Why? Because he didn't call an hour long live TV spectacular to dump Jen for a hotter woman. After tonight no one will ever forget to hate LeBron.

:)

btw I did mention that Brón is the Irish word for Sadness, right?


lol, ditto.
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Re: It's not what he did, it's how he did it.
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2010, 06:30:39 PM »

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He is just an idiot....He didn't have to screw cleve....by waiting like a drama queen. If he just signed outright, earlier, cleve could have gotten someone else when they were all around, or at least tried some deals.....By the time he left, everyone was signed, and his chance to talk on tv....LAME.....!