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Re: Rondo's handles
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2010, 01:55:02 AM »

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I give it to Chris Paul, but Rondo rarely gets picked, that's for sure.

Almost all of his TOs are of the lazy/crazy pass variety.
Rondo can't touch Chris Paul when it comes to splitting a double team. Paul is ridiculous at that.

Rondo is getting showy. A lot of players don't bother with that, though they can do it. Gorman was making a big deal of the move where Rondo brought the ball through is legs to the same hand from the back, but every guard in the NBA can probably do that. It didn't even gain him any advantage. It was just flash without substance.

The behind the back bounce passes as of late though have been great because they have been extremely accurate. The wrap-around from behind to the same hand with his off hand is impressive too, though it can be gratuitous flash at times.

All that matters is that pressing him is futile.

I get more excited about his simple but accurate and perfectly timed bounce passes for layups.

Re: Rondo's handles
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2010, 02:49:34 AM »

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I give it to Chris Paul, but Rondo rarely gets picked, that's for sure.

Almost all of his TOs are of the lazy/crazy pass variety.
Rondo can't touch Chris Paul when it comes to splitting a double team. Paul is ridiculous at that.

Rondo is getting showy. A lot of players don't bother with that, though they can do it. Gorman was making a big deal of the move where Rondo brought the ball through is legs to the same hand from the back, but every guard in the NBA can probably do that. It didn't even gain him any advantage. It was just flash without substance.

The behind the back bounce passes as of late though have been great because they have been extremely accurate. The wrap-around from behind to the same hand with his off hand is impressive too, though it can be gratuitous flash at times.

All that matters is that pressing him is futile.

I get more excited about his simple but accurate and perfectly timed bounce passes for layups.

  It's showy when he's working on it, not when he has it down pat. His behind the back bounce passes are very effective and accurate, but the first few times he did it it would have fallen into the flashy and showy class. Many of those simple but accurate bounce passes for layups are possible because he froze defenders or got them leaning the wrong way with his tricky moves.

Re: Rondo's handles
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2010, 11:11:42 AM »

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Rondo is a great ball handler, but Deron Williams is the best ball handler i've ever seen. He routinely does everything that Rondo does with the ball, and then some. I love Rondo, but Williams deserves this honor. He changes direction quicker than anybody.

Agreed. When I think of my fav PG in the league, its a toss up of the two. I like Rondo's best defense better, but Dwill can break ankles and hit 3s consistently.

DWill has a nasty crossover, but IMO CP3 definitely has better overall handles.

Agreed. D-will's handle is elite FOR HIS SIZE at PG. I mean he's already a lesser point guard than Paul, and what keeps him close is that he can do what he does at his size for the pg position. if he were smaller, we'd be able to see the discrepancy in pure skill more than we do.

I respectfully disagree. I think Williams is better than Paul. Paul "might" be a better distributor, but he's not a better scorer or defender from what i've seen of the two. I'm not a fan of Paul's game. He dominates the ball for 20 out of the 24 seconds. It's so boring watching that. If i were starting a franchise, i would personally go with Williams as my PG.

Re: Rondo's handles
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2010, 12:36:19 PM »

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Rondo is a great ball handler, but Deron Williams is the best ball handler i've ever seen. He routinely does everything that Rondo does with the ball, and then some. I love Rondo, but Williams deserves this honor. He changes direction quicker than anybody.

Agreed. When I think of my fav PG in the league, its a toss up of the two. I like Rondo's best defense better, but Dwill can break ankles and hit 3s consistently.

DWill has a nasty crossover, but IMO CP3 definitely has better overall handles.

Agreed. D-will's handle is elite FOR HIS SIZE at PG. I mean he's already a lesser point guard than Paul, and what keeps him close is that he can do what he does at his size for the pg position. if he were smaller, we'd be able to see the discrepancy in pure skill more than we do.

I respectfully disagree. I think Williams is better than Paul. Paul "might" be a better distributor, but he's not a better scorer or defender from what i've seen of the two. I'm not a fan of Paul's game. He dominates the ball for 20 out of the 24 seconds. It's so boring watching that. If i were starting a franchise, i would personally go with Williams as my PG.


This is one of those cases where (and i feel this too, often) there's a strong incentive to go against the public grain, and pick Williams over Paul. But it's pretty much Utah fans vs. Everyone else.

Paul is better in: Scoring, assists, rebounds, steals, turnovers, shooting from every spot on the floor...I mean it's really not close. Switch their teams and...goodness. How does Williams do passing to Peja, David West, Chandler/okafor and playing for inept coaches compared to Chris Paul playing for Jerry Sloan while distributing to Korver, Boozer, milsap, okur, kirilenko, etc.

It would be one thing if Williams was paid less, so you could build around them differently...that enters the discussion when you're comparing, say, Williams to Rondo: Would you rather pay Rondo an avg. of 11 mil per year and build around that or Williams an average of 15 mil per year and build around that? But becuase of the salary cap and max salaries, Paul and Williams will always be paid the same, and Paul just gives you more of everything.


Paul's had some injuries this year. But when healthy, he's a perennial top-3 MVP candidate; Williams doesn't sniff that class of player.

Re: Rondo's handles
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2010, 02:15:19 PM »

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I think it's a toss up between Rondo and Deron Williams for best handles.  I've seen Williams do some pretty sick things as well.

As for Williams vs Paul, I'd also go with Williams.
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Re: Rondo's handles
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2010, 02:46:19 PM »

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I gotta see some more DWill I guess

I really think Rondo is the second coming of Jason Kidd at this point - I hope he's the link to the future, imagine adding in some athletic finishers like Kidd has in NJ with Kmart and Jefferson... the next 10 years could be as good as the last 3...
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Re: Rondo's handles
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2010, 02:53:27 PM »

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My take is that Williams is a better dribbler going to the hoop looking to score. He can shake anyone and get his shot. Rondo on the other hand has better handles in traffic. I am always amazed how he can keep his dribble in a crowd. When looking to score rarely does Rondo pull off the moves Williams does on a regular basis, instead he uses pur speed to get in the paint.

So after all that I think that both are better at different thinks and which one you want for your team would depend on the style of play.
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