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Re: The Big Baby Talk!
« Reply #60 on: July 28, 2009, 03:18:06 PM »

Offline paintitgreen

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Neuro - China has a history in athletics of trying to hide ages. This past summer, they did it the other way by claiming female gymnasts were older than they actually were so they would be permitted to compete and several former Olympic gymnasts have discussed that they were only 13 or 14 but were claimed to be 16 or 17 to be permitted to compete on an international stage. Whatever is in the best interest of the nation is what is done, and in an effort to achieve a preeminent status in athletics, China will alter ages. To get better gymnasts, they'll lie and say they're older. To make a national star like Yi seem like a better prospect or to allow him to play on junior teams to have a better shot at success, they'll say he's younger. 

And as much as you're talking about his early notoriety, there are two flaws there. First, realistically Yi wasn't nationally known as a basketball player at least until he claimed to be about 11 or 12, after he had gone into national sports academies, by which time, when they saw he had potential, they easily could have scraped a couple of years off his age. Yes, His parents were professional handball players, but that doesn't mean they were stars and that anybody paid attention to when they had a child. Second, your argument implies that the Chinese press would have rooted this out long ago. However, the Chinese media is completely and totally controlled by the Chinese government, a frequent topic of discussion and criticism during the past Olympics.

Finally, the proof is only allegations unless somebody says otherwise. But it's not just rumor. It has been reported that his middle school registration listed his birth year at 1984 rather than 1987, which would make him 24 rather than 21.
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Re: The Big Baby Talk!
« Reply #61 on: July 28, 2009, 09:14:33 PM »

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Neuro - China has a history in athletics of trying to hide ages. This past summer, they did it the other way by claiming female gymnasts were older than they actually were so they would be permitted to compete and several former Olympic gymnasts have discussed that they were only 13 or 14 but were claimed to be 16 or 17 to be permitted to compete on an international stage. Whatever is in the best interest of the nation is what is done, and in an effort to achieve a preeminent status in athletics, China will alter ages. To get better gymnasts, they'll lie and say they're older. To make a national star like Yi seem like a better prospect or to allow him to play on junior teams to have a better shot at success, they'll say he's younger. 

And as much as you're talking about his early notoriety, there are two flaws there. First, realistically Yi wasn't nationally known as a basketball player at least until he claimed to be about 11 or 12, after he had gone into national sports academies, by which time, when they saw he had potential, they easily could have scraped a couple of years off his age. Yes, His parents were professional handball players, but that doesn't mean they were stars and that anybody paid attention to when they had a child. Second, your argument implies that the Chinese press would have rooted this out long ago. However, the Chinese media is completely and totally controlled by the Chinese government, a frequent topic of discussion and criticism during the past Olympics.

Finally, the proof is only allegations unless somebody says otherwise. But it's not just rumor. It has been reported that his middle school registration listed his birth year at 1984 rather than 1987, which would make him 24 rather than 21.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/22/sports/s020737S38.DTL&type=health

Great post.  I stand educated -- but have to admit I have been under the impression that China has been far more open over the last 5 years or so than way back in my childhood when China was very closed and hiding anything was possible. I realize it is still a controlled society, however, it is also a modernized/modernizing society in recent years and it just seems hard to fathom that Americans who had an enormous monetary interest in knowing what his  age is (lottery selection in the NBA draft is high stakes) could not find out.  But, being naive is not shameful to me -- and I am glad to accept that verdict.

Re: The Big Baby Talk!
« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2009, 10:32:01 PM »

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I think that another big factor in determining if Yi has any value or potential growth left is also the act that N.J. has not openly tried to dump him or tie him to the end of the bench. As to his age, RealGM lists him as born in 1989, so who knows what the truth is there? Yi averaged 23+ mpg last year and that was double the minutes played by the highly touted (by some) Sean Williams.

I still dont think it likely in any event we get a guy like him even if we do work a sign n trade with the Nets. More likely somone like Dooling or Najera will be made available.
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Re: The Big Baby Talk!
« Reply #63 on: July 29, 2009, 04:12:33 PM »

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Re: The Big Baby Talk!
« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2009, 10:03:08 AM »

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If the Celtics are really talking to the Nets about a Baby sign-and-trade, the player I'd like to see them target is Jarvis Hayes. Small forward who can space the floor (38.5% from 3=pt range last season) and sort of fill the Posey role, albeit not known for his defense.  He is making 2 mil this season as an expiring contract.