The Big Baby Talk!

[Casperian]

How is trying to trade Baby for Yi (and who knows who else), and trading for Daniels for that matter, cutting corners?

If it`s because of luxury tax implications, as KJ33 said, then it`s cutting the corners, because we need a 4th quality big. If we talk solely about quality, Baby is the superior player to Yi, imo.

[BudweiserCeltic]

How is trying to trade Baby for Yi (and who knows who else), and trading for Daniels for that matter, cutting corners?

If it`s because of luxury tax implications, as KJ33 said, then it`s cutting the corners, because we need a 4th quality big. If we talk solely about quality, Baby is the superior player to Yi, imo.

Well your whole basis about cutting corners really comes down to your opinion of the quality of a player, not on ownership's willingness to spend.

And of course luxury tax implications come into it, but it's not the end all discussion. If you can get comparable talent (and Yi is the bigger prospect here) for cheaper, you simply do it. But this won't be a Yi 1 for 1 for Baby, NJ would be crazy to do it. There are other parts involved that need to be aknowledged.

[Casperian]

How is trying to trade Baby for Yi (and who knows who else), and trading for Daniels for that matter, cutting corners?

If it`s because of luxury tax implications, as KJ33 said, then it`s cutting the corners, because we need a 4th quality big. If we talk solely about quality, Baby is the superior player to Yi, imo.

Well your whole basis about cutting corners really comes down to your opinion of the quality of a player, not on ownership's willingness to spend.

And of course luxury tax implications come into it, but it's not the end all discussion. If you can get comparable talent (and Yi is the bigger prospect here) for cheaper, you simply do it. But this won't be a Yi 1 for 1 for Baby, NJ would be crazy to do it. There are other parts involved that need to be aknowledged.

Well, it always comes down to your evaluation of the players involved in a trade.
My point stands: If they don´t want to sign Baby because of luxury tax implications, they are cutting the corners. Quality of the 4th big is a different topic.

But to think that Yi is a better prospect than Davis is an insult to BBD, imo.

[celticinorlando]

i think we need 3 bigs off the bench this season...sheed, somebody with bulk and one more...i think they cannot let baby walk and get zero back ....if he walks they have 2 major holes to fill with not a lot of bigs left...

[BudweiserCeltic]

How is trying to trade Baby for Yi (and who knows who else), and trading for Daniels for that matter, cutting corners?

If it`s because of luxury tax implications, as KJ33 said, then it`s cutting the corners, because we need a 4th quality big. If we talk solely about quality, Baby is the superior player to Yi, imo.

Well your whole basis about cutting corners really comes down to your opinion of the quality of a player, not on ownership's willingness to spend.

And of course luxury tax implications come into it, but it's not the end all discussion. If you can get comparable talent (and Yi is the bigger prospect here) for cheaper, you simply do it. But this won't be a Yi 1 for 1 for Baby, NJ would be crazy to do it. There are other parts involved that need to be aknowledged.

Well, it always comes down to your evaluation of the players involved in a trade.
My point stands: If they don´t want to sign Baby because of luxury tax implications, they are cutting the corners. Quality of the 4th big is a different topic.

But to think that Yi is a better prospect than Davis is an insult to BBD, imo.

A player that is 2 years younger, a 7 footer who has 3point range who has a good shot (simply hasn't fallen for him yet, remember when Baby wasn't making them?)... yeah I can see how that can be an insult to Baby if one claims that Yi is the better prospect.

i think we need 3 bigs off the bench this season...sheed, somebody with bulk and one more...i think they cannot let baby walk and get zero back ....if he walks they have 2 major holes to fill with not a lot of bigs left...

Two major holes is a major exaggeration.

[celticinorlando]

How is trying to trade Baby for Yi (and who knows who else), and trading for Daniels for that matter, cutting corners?

If it`s because of luxury tax implications, as KJ33 said, then it`s cutting the corners, because we need a 4th quality big. If we talk solely about quality, Baby is the superior player to Yi, imo.

Well your whole basis about cutting corners really comes down to your opinion of the quality of a player, not on ownership's willingness to spend.

And of course luxury tax implications come into it, but it's not the end all discussion. If you can get comparable talent (and Yi is the bigger prospect here) for cheaper, you simply do it. But this won't be a Yi 1 for 1 for Baby, NJ would be crazy to do it. There are other parts involved that need to be aknowledged.

Well, it always comes down to your evaluation of the players involved in a trade.
My point stands: If they don´t want to sign Baby because of luxury tax implications, they are cutting the corners. Quality of the 4th big is a different topic.

But to think that Yi is a better prospect than Davis is an insult to BBD, imo.

A player that is 2 years younger, a 7 footer who has 3point range who has a good shot (simply hasn't fallen for him yet, remember when Baby wasn't making them?)... yeah I can see how that can be an insult to Baby if one claims that Yi is the better prospect.

i think we need 3 bigs off the bench this season...sheed, somebody with bulk and one more...i think they cannot let baby walk and get zero back ....if he walks they have 2 major holes to fill with not a lot of bigs left...

Two major holes is a major exageration.

exaggeration? how so? they lose baby for nothing who is the primary back up PF? scal?  we saw last season what injuries to bigs did. Perk and his shoulder and KG and his knee make me want 3 solids off the bench

[BudweiserCeltic]

How is trying to trade Baby for Yi (and who knows who else), and trading for Daniels for that matter, cutting corners?

If it`s because of luxury tax implications, as KJ33 said, then it`s cutting the corners, because we need a 4th quality big. If we talk solely about quality, Baby is the superior player to Yi, imo.

Well your whole basis about cutting corners really comes down to your opinion of the quality of a player, not on ownership's willingness to spend.

And of course luxury tax implications come into it, but it's not the end all discussion. If you can get comparable talent (and Yi is the bigger prospect here) for cheaper, you simply do it. But this won't be a Yi 1 for 1 for Baby, NJ would be crazy to do it. There are other parts involved that need to be aknowledged.

Well, it always comes down to your evaluation of the players involved in a trade.
My point stands: If they don´t want to sign Baby because of luxury tax implications, they are cutting the corners. Quality of the 4th big is a different topic.

But to think that Yi is a better prospect than Davis is an insult to BBD, imo.

A player that is 2 years younger, a 7 footer who has 3point range who has a good shot (simply hasn't fallen for him yet, remember when Baby wasn't making them?)... yeah I can see how that can be an insult to Baby if one claims that Yi is the better prospect.

i think we need 3 bigs off the bench this season...sheed, somebody with bulk and one more...i think they cannot let baby walk and get zero back ....if he walks they have 2 major holes to fill with not a lot of bigs left...

Two major holes is a major exageration.

exaggeration? how so? they lose baby for nothing who is the primary back up PF? scal?  we saw last season what injuries to bigs did. Perk and his shoulder and KG and his knee make me want 3 solids off the bench

A distinction has to be made between things that will simply improve our team and things that we actually need.

You can play Sheed, KG, and Perk easily 32 minutes a game. What you want is to improve our depth, and Scal is perfect for that role, and there are plenty of bigs available that can fill that role for cheap additionaly.

[Casperian]

How is trying to trade Baby for Yi (and who knows who else), and trading for Daniels for that matter, cutting corners?

If it`s because of luxury tax implications, as KJ33 said, then it`s cutting the corners, because we need a 4th quality big. If we talk solely about quality, Baby is the superior player to Yi, imo.

Well your whole basis about cutting corners really comes down to your opinion of the quality of a player, not on ownership's willingness to spend.

And of course luxury tax implications come into it, but it's not the end all discussion. If you can get comparable talent (and Yi is the bigger prospect here) for cheaper, you simply do it. But this won't be a Yi 1 for 1 for Baby, NJ would be crazy to do it. There are other parts involved that need to be aknowledged.

Well, it always comes down to your evaluation of the players involved in a trade.
My point stands: If they don´t want to sign Baby because of luxury tax implications, they are cutting the corners. Quality of the 4th big is a different topic.

But to think that Yi is a better prospect than Davis is an insult to BBD, imo.

A player that is 2 years younger, a 7 footer who has 3point range who has a good shot (simply hasn't fallen for him yet, remember when Baby wasn't making them?)... yeah I can see how that can be an insult to Baby if one claims that Yi is the better prospect.

Now you´re grasping for straws, man.
It is always a risk to bring a young player into a new system. We don´t have that risk with Baby, we know he can produce. We would be Yi´s third team in his third year. Considering how much money he can potentially generate for the franchise he plays for, you have to wonder what the Bucks and Nets don´t like about him.

Yi didn´t accomplish 1/4 of what Baby has achieved in the same time in the league, and more importantly, Baby has shown much more improvement in the last 2 years. The fact that Yi is taller and (maybe) younger doesn´t make him the better prospect.

[celticinorlando]

boston has to be prepared for what happened last season. perk could hurt his shoulder anytime and miss big minutes...then you have sheed starting with scal being the only big off the bench. they need more depth on the bench but there is nobody out there on the cheap better than baby. and my point is if you let him walk for nothing who replaces him on the bench? and no...scal is not the answer as a primary PF back up....

boston went your route last season and got bigs on the cheap (POB, mikki moore) and it didn't help them at all. if they aren't going to resign baby...get something back for him.

and at this point i dont think danny nor baby want each other

[EJPLAYA]

How is trying to trade Baby for Yi (and who knows who else), and trading for Daniels for that matter, cutting corners?

If it`s because of luxury tax implications, as KJ33 said, then it`s cutting the corners, because we need a 4th quality big. If we talk solely about quality, Baby is the superior player to Yi, imo.

Well your whole basis about cutting corners really comes down to your opinion of the quality of a player, not on ownership's willingness to spend.

And of course luxury tax implications come into it, but it's not the end all discussion. If you can get comparable talent (and Yi is the bigger prospect here) for cheaper, you simply do it. But this won't be a Yi 1 for 1 for Baby, NJ would be crazy to do it. There are other parts involved that need to be aknowledged.

Well, it always comes down to your evaluation of the players involved in a trade.
My point stands: If they don´t want to sign Baby because of luxury tax implications, they are cutting the corners. Quality of the 4th big is a different topic.

But to think that Yi is a better prospect than Davis is an insult to BBD, imo.

A player that is 2 years younger, a 7 footer who has 3point range who has a good shot (simply hasn't fallen for him yet, remember when Baby wasn't making them?)... yeah I can see how that can be an insult to Baby if one claims that Yi is the better prospect.

i think we need 3 bigs off the bench this season...sheed, somebody with bulk and one more...i think they cannot let baby walk and get zero back ....if he walks they have 2 major holes to fill with not a lot of bigs left...

Two major holes is a major exageration.

exaggeration? how so? they lose baby for nothing who is the primary back up PF? scal?  we saw last season what injuries to bigs did. Perk and his shoulder and KG and his knee make me want 3 solids off the bench

A distinction has to be made between things that will simply improve our team and things that we actually need.

You can play Sheed, KG, and Perk easily 32 minutes a game. What you want is to improve our depth, and Scal is perfect for that role, and there are plenty of bigs available that can fill that role for cheap additionaly.

TP. You are dead on. SCAL is the current 4th big and can play that role just fine. Look at how he did filling in for KG the past couple years at times even moving into the starting lineup. He was the third big at that point ahead of even BBD. If one of the starters went down Sheed fills in well and Scal would be the first big off the bench while we look for another player. Yes I think BBD is a little ahead of Scal and would really like him to be our 4th and Scal our 5th unless we could upgrade BBD, but he's not THAT far ahead of Scal that you want to offer big money. Without a major injury the guy just won't be getting many minutes and in turn won't be real happy. Too bad Powe went down because BBD would have been an afterthought.

[BudweiserCeltic]

How is trying to trade Baby for Yi (and who knows who else), and trading for Daniels for that matter, cutting corners?

If it`s because of luxury tax implications, as KJ33 said, then it`s cutting the corners, because we need a 4th quality big. If we talk solely about quality, Baby is the superior player to Yi, imo.

Well your whole basis about cutting corners really comes down to your opinion of the quality of a player, not on ownership's willingness to spend.

And of course luxury tax implications come into it, but it's not the end all discussion. If you can get comparable talent (and Yi is the bigger prospect here) for cheaper, you simply do it. But this won't be a Yi 1 for 1 for Baby, NJ would be crazy to do it. There are other parts involved that need to be aknowledged.

Well, it always comes down to your evaluation of the players involved in a trade.
My point stands: If they don´t want to sign Baby because of luxury tax implications, they are cutting the corners. Quality of the 4th big is a different topic.

But to think that Yi is a better prospect than Davis is an insult to BBD, imo.

A player that is 2 years younger, a 7 footer who has 3point range who has a good shot (simply hasn't fallen for him yet, remember when Baby wasn't making them?)... yeah I can see how that can be an insult to Baby if one claims that Yi is the better prospect.

Now you´re grasping for straws, man.
It is always a risk to bring a young player into a new system. We don´t have that risk with Baby, we know he can produce. We would be Yi´s third team in his third year. Considering how much money he can potentially generate for the franchise he plays for, you have to wonder what the Bucks and Nets don´t like about him.

Yi didn´t accomplish 1/4 of what Baby has achieved in the same time in the league, and more importantly, Baby has shown much more improvement in the last 2 years. The fact that Yi is taller and (maybe) younger doesn´t make him the better prospect.

You're trying to mix two arguments up when they're two different arguments. One is who is currently better and who is the better prospect. Age does matter when you're dealing with prospects, the norm is that younger players have a bigger learning curve. Sure, it doesn't make him the better prospect, but he has a ton of skills rare for 7 footers, it's just a matter of putting it all together.

If you want to argue who is the better player, there's no need. In my opinion Baby is currently the better player. I think Yi would thrive with us though.

[Birdbrain]

Please let it not be for Yi.  I'll pass on a player with both no heart or talent.

[GroverTheClover]

If it's a straight up Baby for Yi, I'd say no. But if we can get Dooling or Hayes in addition to Yi while only giving up Baby and someone like TA, go for it. I still think Yi has a decent chance of being productive. He's got great length and is atletic for his size and can hit the mid-range shot. Even though I still think he's 24-25, his ceiling is higher than Baby's by virtue of body type. Baby still hasn't demonstrated that he can effectively stabilize his weight.

[RD3]

If I were the Celts, I would definatly consider a trade package like this....

BOS Gets:

Yi (apx. 3 Million)
Dooling (apx. 3.5 Million)
J. Hayes (apx. 2 Million)

NJ Gets:

Big Baby (New deal worth about 5 Million per year)
Scalabrine (3.5 Expiring Contract)

Boston could get an interesting prospect in Yi who would be a pretty good option for the 4th big off the bench. Dooling could be the answer to the lingering backup point guard question. As for Hayes, i think he would be perfect for this team. He's got good size, can stretch the floor, and could play well with Daniels coming off the bench.

As for NJ, they also help themselves in this trade. It seemed as if Yi didnt mesh well with the team last year when Ryan Anderson ended up starting over him in some games. They may see Baby as an upgrade and between him and Lee, they now got some new young players with NBA Finals experience. They really dont need Dooling because Rafer Alston should get the lionshare of backup point guard minutes. And Hayes is in the last year of his deal and i doubt they'll look to resign him next year. Also, he's probably currently behind Lee, Douglas-Roberts, Terrance Williams, and maybe Bobby Simmons on the depth chart anyway. Sorry Scal fans, but his contract would help make the deal work. And New Jersey could save 3 million on next years cap by trading Yi and Dooling and thier 8 million cap hit next year for Davis's 5. It does not seem like a lot but with the cap going down, it could be. This seems like a win win for both teams.

[Casperian]

How is trying to trade Baby for Yi (and who knows who else), and trading for Daniels for that matter, cutting corners?

If it`s because of luxury tax implications, as KJ33 said, then it`s cutting the corners, because we need a 4th quality big. If we talk solely about quality, Baby is the superior player to Yi, imo.

Well your whole basis about cutting corners really comes down to your opinion of the quality of a player, not on ownership's willingness to spend.

And of course luxury tax implications come into it, but it's not the end all discussion. If you can get comparable talent (and Yi is the bigger prospect here) for cheaper, you simply do it. But this won't be a Yi 1 for 1 for Baby, NJ would be crazy to do it. There are other parts involved that need to be aknowledged.

Well, it always comes down to your evaluation of the players involved in a trade.
My point stands: If they don´t want to sign Baby because of luxury tax implications, they are cutting the corners. Quality of the 4th big is a different topic.

But to think that Yi is a better prospect than Davis is an insult to BBD, imo.

A player that is 2 years younger, a 7 footer who has 3point range who has a good shot (simply hasn't fallen for him yet, remember when Baby wasn't making them?)... yeah I can see how that can be an insult to Baby if one claims that Yi is the better prospect.

Now you´re grasping for straws, man.
It is always a risk to bring a young player into a new system. We don´t have that risk with Baby, we know he can produce. We would be Yi´s third team in his third year. Considering how much money he can potentially generate for the franchise he plays for, you have to wonder what the Bucks and Nets don´t like about him.

Yi didn´t accomplish 1/4 of what Baby has achieved in the same time in the league, and more importantly, Baby has shown much more improvement in the last 2 years. The fact that Yi is taller and (maybe) younger doesn´t make him the better prospect.

You're trying to mix two arguments up when they're two different arguments. One is who is currently better and who is the better prospect. Age does matter when you're dealing with prospects, the norm is that younger players have a bigger learning curve. Sure, it doesn't make him the better prospect, but he has a ton of skills rare for 7 footers, it's just a matter of putting it all together.

If you want to argue who is the better player, there's no need. In my opinion Baby is currently the better player. I think Yi would thrive with us though.

You´re the one who mixes things up.
Age and Height matter on Draft Day, not after two years of NBA experience. Gerald Green, for example, is not a better prospect than BBD, no matter how high his ceiling could be.

And yes, I argue that BBD is the better player now, because I also say that´s exactly what we need...the better player now, so this point is kind of essential if we talk about a Baby for Yi trade.