Certain bench players don't seem to go together very well.

[wdleehi]

Co-sign with the gist of what wdleehi said.  I'd also add "Tony Allen + anybody".  I don't want TA on the floor, unless we're up or down by 30 points.  He can take a seat next to POB.

Couldn't agree more. One of the hardest parts of watching the loss on Sunday was watching the offense come to a grinding halt every time TA touched the ball. Don't be fooled by the 11 points, this is one time where the -15 (+/-) actually tells the story.

Ta has his moments on offense.


Basically when he get the ball in a position where he has to take no more then two dribbles before he puts the ball up.

[cordobes]

House + Pruitt
   
Minutes played: 197
   
Plus/minus: -14
   
Team Offensive efficiency (per 100 possessions): 89
   
Team defensive efficiency: 93
   
Net: -3.4
   
Expected Win%: 45%
   
House + T.Allen
   
Minutes played: 505
   
Plus/Minus: +95
   
Team Offensive efficiency (per 100 possessions): 98
   
Team defensive efficiency: 89
   
Net: +9.0
   
Expected Win%: 58%

[Bankshot]

When the playoffs roll around, our rotation is going to consist of the starters + 1 backup pg, 1 backup wing and 1 backup big. So if House is going to play, he is going to have to be the backup pg and a Pruitt/House backcourt isn't going to work when it matters. The backup wing is going to have to be able to guard guys like Joe Johnson, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, etc. and neither Pruitt or House can do that.

I also think that when Scal comes back, the bench is going to look better. Part of the problem of the 2nd unit right now is that we have only 2 shooters on the floor with House and Pierce/Ray. TA and Powe don't really have any range and Baby is unreliable right now. Putting Scal (or a guy like Joe Smith if we can get him) will improve the spacing and make the 2nd unit function better.

I could not disagree more with your assesment of Pruitt's role in the playoff's. Eastern conference contenders are full of undersized shooting guards. Iverson, Lee, West and Green all start. Pruitt is an ideal matchup against these players.

If Pruitt was good, I'd agree with you, but he's not.  I'm not impressed with the Pruitt/House combo.  I'd rather Doc dust off Sam and have Sam/House. I'm not impressed with Pruitt's point guard abilities.

[billysan]

House + Pruitt
   
Minutes played: 197
   
Plus/minus: -14
   
Team Offensive efficiency (per 100 possessions): 89
   
Team defensive efficiency: 93
   
Net: -3.4
   
Expected Win%: 45%
   
House + T.Allen
   
Minutes played: 505
   
Plus/Minus: +95
   
Team Offensive efficiency (per 100 possessions): 98
   
Team defensive efficiency: 89
   
Net: +9.0
   
Expected Win%: 58%

Nice work, surprising numbers (for me). I guess the Allen + Pruitt sample size is tiny if even existent.

[cordobes]

House + Pruitt
   
Minutes played: 197
   
Plus/minus: -14
   
Team Offensive efficiency (per 100 possessions): 89
   
Team defensive efficiency: 93
   
Net: -3.4
   
Expected Win%: 45%
   
House + T.Allen
   
Minutes played: 505
   
Plus/Minus: +95
   
Team Offensive efficiency (per 100 possessions): 98
   
Team defensive efficiency: 89
   
Net: +9.0
   
Expected Win%: 58%

Nice work, surprising numbers (for me). I guess the Allen + Pruitt sample size is tiny if even existent.

113 minutes. You can check every player pair here:
http://www.82games.com/0809/0809BOSP.HTM

I don't see the numbers as surprising or as not surprising. I didn't draw conclusions from the numbers because, IMO, plus/minus is a rather useless metric for that effect when not weighted for opponents, teammates and used with samples of several seasons (like 400 games, not 100 minutes). Even in that best case scenario, it shall be seen with radical skepticism. However, it's fully descriptive - the C's were indeed outscored when House and Pruitt were on the floor together and outscored their opponents when House/TA were paired.

[billysan]

113 minutes. You can check every player pair here:
http://www.82games.com/0809/0809BOSP.HTM

I don't see the numbers as surprising or as not surprising. I didn't draw conclusions from the numbers because, IMO, plus/minus is a rather useless metric for that effect when not weighted for opponents, teammates and used with samples of several seasons (like 400 games, not 100 minutes). Even in that best case scenario, it shall be seen with radical skepticism. However, it's fully descriptive - the C's were indeed outscored when House and Pruitt were on the floor together and outscored their opponents when House/TA were paired.

Thanx for the link.

I have never been a big stats guys, that is to say that I dont think stats are a complete or accurate measure of a players performance. I look at them as simple averages. Plenty of inconsistent guys out there with good looking stats over the years.

As to surprise, I see the House+Tony pairing as more defensive oriented, while the House+Pruitt is seen as a more offensive pairing. I think when House+Allen is on the floor then Eddie is the primary ball handler and when Pruitt+House are together then Gabe is the primary ball handler. This difference makes Eddies' offensive production vary accordingly as we all seem to agree he is more effective as the 'off guard' who is better at spot up shooting.

Either way, I think we also mostly agree that Gabe is the better ball handler and jump shooter while Tony is the superior slasher and defender. This would seem to indicate a lower +/- for the team offensively with Tony in the lineup while a higher defensive +/- is expected. The opposite of course for Gabe.

Maybe this is just my flawed perception. Thanks for the numbers just the same.