It can't just be me (re: Rondo)

[nickagneta]

According to 82games.com Rondo has an eFG% on inside shots of .707.

As a point of reference here are some other players inside eFG%:

Kobe: .657
CP3: .645
Pierce: .508
LeBron: .733
Derrick Rose: .569
D Wade: .595
D Harris: .541

So, as I suspected this whole thread is really nothing more than an over reaction thread based on the fact that Rondo missed a couple of easy ones LAST NIGHT.

He's been outstanding this entiring year driving to the bucket and finishing. His numbers show he's better than such notable finishers like Kobe, Wade, Rose, and Pierce and when it comes right down to it he hits inside and finishes as effectively as LeBron.

Oh, and he has the highest FG% of any PG in the league.

Who's the best finisher at the rim in the entire NBA in your opinion? Joel Przybilla?

Rondo is a good finisher, but he keeps struggling to finish with his off-hand and through contact. He also must improve his FT shooting, because missing them only encourages the opponents to promote contact aggressively. 

Actually yes by eFG% Pryzbilla is the best this year.

And to illustrate just how well Rondo is in finishing he's 4th in the league behind only Pryzbilla, LeBron, and KG. All the rest of the top 32 are SFs, PFs, and Cs with the exception of Kobe, a SG, at 22nd in the league and Chris Paul, a PG, at 32nd. Rondo, if lucky, is 6'1" and yet, even though he has to dribble and drive through all these big guys instead of having the advantage of overpowering others, he's 4th in the league. That is, IMO, being unbelievably good to great as a finisher.

If you were being sarcastic, meaning that since Pryzbilla is the highest in this stat the stat has little meaning, well then just look at the other people in the top 20 in this stat. They are all huge people who usually get the ball in close and onlyhave to dunk or make a move.

Oh, and in my opinion, it's no contest who's the best finisher in the league. We watched him finish like a maniac last night, LeBron James.

[Dirk]

It's hard to measure and even harder to classify the level of difficulty of layups, but it's a fact that not all layups are the same. There are easier and harder layups. The fact that Rondo has better eFG% on inside shots of .707. than Kobe, CP3, PP, Lebron, Derrick, DWade, Harris etc doesn't mean he is a better finisher.

Most of the guys on that list take a lot (and make a lot) of really really hard, tough and contested layups. Not that rondo only has easy/wide open layups, but we need to admit that guys like Kobe attempt a ton of 'crazy' and 'unbelievable' shot inside the paint, and make a good share of them. But it's exactly those kind of shots that bring their inside eFG% of inside shots down, because they are really hard to convert. I believe (a perception, people may agree or disagree) that Rondo tries most of the time regular and contested layups, not those up and down, 180°, against 3, plus the foul, with the shot clocking down kind of inside shots that players like Kobe or Lebron take quite frequently (because they know they can make those kind of shots).

My opinion is based a lot on perception but we are talking about "easy layups" here and there is no stat that measures that, not that I know of at least.

[BrickJames]

Anyone have Rondo's eFG% split for the last 10 games?

[Toine43]

It's hard to measure and even harder to classify the level of difficulty of layups, but it's a fact that not all layups are the same. There are easier and harder layups. The fact that Rondo has better eFG% on inside shots of .707. than Kobe, CP3, PP, Lebron, Derrick, DWade, Harris etc doesn't mean he is a better finisher.

Most of the guys on that list take a lot (and make a lot) of really really hard, tough and contested layups. Not that rondo only has easy/wide open layups, but we need to admit that guys like Kobe attempt a ton of 'crazy' and 'unbelievable' shot inside the paint, and make a good share of them. But it's exactly those kind of shots that bring their inside eFG% of inside shots down, because they are really hard to convert. I believe (a perception, people may agree or disagree) that Rondo tries most of the time regular and contested layups, not those up and down, 180°, against 3, plus the foul, with the shot clocking down kind of inside shots that players like Kobe or Lebron take quite frequently (because they know they can make those kind of shots).

My opinion is based a lot on perception but we are talking about "easy layups" here and there is no stat that measures that, not that I know of at least.

Rondo takes his share of both contested and uncontested layups. Obviously, this statistic doesn't prove that Rondo is one of the league's elite finishers, it merely suggests that he is. However, it does prove that Rondo is at the very least a good finisher. Many, including the original poster, for some reason seem to thing that Rondo isn't.

[TheReaLPuba]

We want Rondo finishing at the rim.

We don't want him shooting contested jumpers or dribbling the ball under the hoop and back out like he's doing an obstacle course.

We don't want him shooting free throws either.

Rondo needs to stick with the "2 P's", penetrate & pass.

[gar]

Had to laugh in another forum thread where someone was suggesting that Rondo needed to learn to get to the foul line more. True it works if you are PP; but not for RR (give him another year or two). Had not thought of the abuse he takes as a result of his poor foul shooting. Excellent point.

[cordobes]

According to 82games.com Rondo has an eFG% on inside shots of .707.

As a point of reference here are some other players inside eFG%:

Kobe: .657
CP3: .645
Pierce: .508
LeBron: .733
Derrick Rose: .569
D Wade: .595
D Harris: .541

So, as I suspected this whole thread is really nothing more than an over reaction thread based on the fact that Rondo missed a couple of easy ones LAST NIGHT.

He's been outstanding this entiring year driving to the bucket and finishing. His numbers show he's better than such notable finishers like Kobe, Wade, Rose, and Pierce and when it comes right down to it he hits inside and finishes as effectively as LeBron.

Oh, and he has the highest FG% of any PG in the league.

Who's the best finisher at the rim in the entire NBA in your opinion? Joel Przybilla?

Rondo is a good finisher, but he keeps struggling to finish with his off-hand and through contact. He also must improve his FT shooting, because missing them only encourages the opponents to promote contact aggressively. 

Actually yes by eFG% Pryzbilla is the best this year.

And to illustrate just how well Rondo is in finishing he's 4th in the league behind only Pryzbilla, LeBron, and KG. All the rest of the top 32 are SFs, PFs, and Cs with the exception of Kobe, a SG, at 22nd in the league and Chris Paul, a PG, at 32nd. Rondo, if lucky, is 6'1" and yet, even though he has to dribble and drive through all these big guys instead of having the advantage of overpowering others, he's 4th in the league. That is, IMO, being unbelievably good to great as a finisher.

If you were being sarcastic, meaning that since Pryzbilla is the highest in this stat the stat has little meaning, well then just look at the other people in the top 20 in this stat. They are all huge people who usually get the ball in close and onlyhave to dunk or make a move.

Oh, and in my opinion, it's no contest who's the best finisher in the league. We watched him finish like a maniac last night, LeBron James.

Of course I was being sarcastic. Put Pryzbilla in the Spurs and ask him to replace Duncan and his eFG% will drop drastically, do the same thing with Rondo/Parker and a similar effect will happen, just less severe. The greates finishers in the league are guys like Wade, LeBron, Roy, Paul, Amare, Garnett, etc, not Rondo and the Vanilla Gorilla.

Rondo is good, but he doesn't deserve to be called a great finisher at least until he starts finishing better with his off-hand. I don't need stats to see this.

[Jaycelt]

Anyone have Rondo's eFG% split for the last 10 games?

If my math is correct it's .429.

Effective FG pct. = (FGM + (0.5 x 3PM))/FGA
                   
 Rondo last ten games  (35 + (0.5 X 3))/85

http://www.dougstats.com/08-09/BostonCelticsLF.html

[cordobes]

Anyone have Rondo's eFG% split for the last 10 games?

at the rim - 46.7 % (28-60)
short-range (15ft) - 20% (1-5)
mid-range (22ft to 15ft) - 30% (3-10)
3pt - 30% (3-10)

[nickagneta]

According to 82games.com Rondo has an eFG% on inside shots of .707.

As a point of reference here are some other players inside eFG%:

Kobe: .657
CP3: .645
Pierce: .508
LeBron: .733
Derrick Rose: .569
D Wade: .595
D Harris: .541

So, as I suspected this whole thread is really nothing more than an over reaction thread based on the fact that Rondo missed a couple of easy ones LAST NIGHT.

He's been outstanding this entiring year driving to the bucket and finishing. His numbers show he's better than such notable finishers like Kobe, Wade, Rose, and Pierce and when it comes right down to it he hits inside and finishes as effectively as LeBron.

Oh, and he has the highest FG% of any PG in the league.

Who's the best finisher at the rim in the entire NBA in your opinion? Joel Przybilla?

Rondo is a good finisher, but he keeps struggling to finish with his off-hand and through contact. He also must improve his FT shooting, because missing them only encourages the opponents to promote contact aggressively. 

Actually yes by eFG% Pryzbilla is the best this year.

And to illustrate just how well Rondo is in finishing he's 4th in the league behind only Pryzbilla, LeBron, and KG. All the rest of the top 32 are SFs, PFs, and Cs with the exception of Kobe, a SG, at 22nd in the league and Chris Paul, a PG, at 32nd. Rondo, if lucky, is 6'1" and yet, even though he has to dribble and drive through all these big guys instead of having the advantage of overpowering others, he's 4th in the league. That is, IMO, being unbelievably good to great as a finisher.

If you were being sarcastic, meaning that since Pryzbilla is the highest in this stat the stat has little meaning, well then just look at the other people in the top 20 in this stat. They are all huge people who usually get the ball in close and onlyhave to dunk or make a move.

Oh, and in my opinion, it's no contest who's the best finisher in the league. We watched him finish like a maniac last night, LeBron James.

Of course I was being sarcastic. Put Pryzbilla in the Spurs and ask him to replace Duncan and his eFG% will drop drastically, do the same thing with Rondo/Parker and a similar effect will happen, just less severe. The greates finishers in the league are guys like Wade, LeBron, Roy, Paul, Amare, Garnett, etc, not Rondo and the Vanilla Gorilla.

Rondo is good, but he doesn't deserve to be called a great finisher at least until he starts finishing better with his off-hand. I don't need stats to see this.

On this one, I think you're as wrong as wrong can be my friend.

Rondo is a great finisher because of his size and speed and his ability to make a lot of his layups look easier than they are. Tons of people can make layups but to do so from the angles he uses with the spin on the ball he uses because he has the ability to put english on the ball because of the size of his hands is extraordinary.

Rondo might finish at the fastest speed of any player in the league. You think that's easy? Go try it. Run as fast as you canwithout dribbling and without jumping towards the basket and make a layup without slowing down one bit. Because that would be the equivalent of what he does. When he comes in from the left side of the basket, yes he still uses his right hand. But that's because he can literally jump almost away from the basket or perpendicular to the backboard some distance from the net at top speed and reach over with his extra long arms and spin the ball withhis extremely long hands. It makes guarding him extremely difficult especially as he has learned to jump up and later in his finish and now can even continue his dribble through. And to do all that faster than anyone else in the league is amazing.

And for all your talk about off hand, Pierce barely ever finishes lefty and neither does LeBron or most others. Can they, yes? Do they, no. I agree with you that he is right hand heavy and therefore easier to guard because of it. But that only makes his percentage even that more remarkable. Everyone knows he's going righty and still can't stop him.

And I think you aren't giving him nearly the credit he deserves given his physical limitations. As I said the kid is 6' maybe a tad bit taller and about 160-170 lbs. LeBron is 6'8" and 275 lbs. Pierce is 6'6" amd 235. Kobe is a physical specimen. All those guys that are in the top 30 of eFG% are huge.

I really don't think your giving the kid his due here. He's got lots wrong with his game. FT shooting, 3PT shooting, mid range jump shots, decision making in the lane, his propensity to gamble on the reach around poke away instead of manning up. But in this area, I think he's extraordinary.