So if Rondo is Struggling So bad than where the heck is ......

[EJPLAYA]

I still prescribe to the theory that his being a player on a vet min contract is nothing more than the Celtics getting the NBA to subsidize half his salary as a coach and we will only see Sam if there's a major injury.

I agree 100% with Nick. Quite honestly I think Gabe can come in and play just as well as Sam can these days. Even though House is more of a two in style, he IS playing the backup PG spot and doing a pretty good job of it. If his shot was falling right now like it will be soon, Rondo would be justifiably concerned about his minutes dropping. Eddie is doing a more consistent job as playmaker, is playing as good of defense as Rondo due to a higher effort level, and is a much better offensive player. In fact, when Eddie is shooting this badly, he is still a better offensive threat than Rondo.

[wdleehi]

I still prescribe to the theory that his being a player on a vet min contract is nothing more than the Celtics getting the NBA to subsidize half his salary as a coach and we will only see Sam if there's a major injury.

I agree 100% with Nick. Quite honestly I think Gabe can come in and play just as well as Sam can these days. Even though House is more of a two in style, he IS playing the backup PG spot and doing a pretty good job of it. If his shot was falling right now like it will be soon, Rondo would be justifiably concerned about his minutes dropping. Eddie is doing a more consistent job as playmaker, is playing as good of defense as Rondo due to a higher effort level, and is a much better offensive player. In fact, when Eddie is shooting this badly, he is still a better offensive threat than Rondo.

I have to disagree.  They want a vet presence for the playoffs off the bench.  I believe they think he is still capable of playing better then he did last year.

[EJPLAYA]

I still prescribe to the theory that his being a player on a vet min contract is nothing more than the Celtics getting the NBA to subsidize half his salary as a coach and we will only see Sam if there's a major injury.

I agree 100% with Nick. Quite honestly I think Gabe can come in and play just as well as Sam can these days. Even though House is more of a two in style, he IS playing the backup PG spot and doing a pretty good job of it. If his shot was falling right now like it will be soon, Rondo would be justifiably concerned about his minutes dropping. Eddie is doing a more consistent job as playmaker, is playing as good of defense as Rondo due to a higher effort level, and is a much better offensive player. In fact, when Eddie is shooting this badly, he is still a better offensive threat than Rondo.

I have to disagree.  They want a vet presence for the playoffs off the bench.  I believe they think he is still capable of playing better then he did last year.

It still goes back to the same argument though. Sam is the opposite out there on the floor of Ubuntu. Sam is Sam I am always. He only adds value the 1 out of 5 games where he is on fire, and really isn't adding much value. He can't play a lick of defense. Doesn't pass unless he has to, and is more often than not off anymore. What POSSIBLY would lead anyone to believe that he would change. He didn't even change in the playoffs when it was so important even though it meant getting sent to the bench.

Give me Eddie ANYDAY over Sam. He is a proven commodity that makes this team better. If Gabe can get some minutes over the rest of the year then we will know by roster deadline whether or not he is the answer for 5-6 min a game. If he isn't, then cut him and sign a REAL PG.

[guava_wrench]

not  for me  because Paul isnt stinking

We need a backup point guard.

its nto about paul's play, its about his minutes.

I do not want paul playing 38+ minutes a night because doc doesn't (rightfuly) trust his backup options, its ridiculous.

Paul's minutes are partially due to too many close games. We had so many blowouts last year, that starters didn't finish games.

[housecall]

I still prescribe to the theory that his being a player on a vet min contract is nothing more than the Celtics getting the NBA to subsidize half his salary as a coach and we will only see Sam if there's a major injury.

I agree 100% with Nick. Quite honestly I think Gabe can come in and play just as well as Sam can these days. Even though House is more of a two in style, he IS playing the backup PG spot and doing a pretty good job of it. If his shot was falling right now like it will be soon, Rondo would be justifiably concerned about his minutes dropping. Eddie is doing a more consistent job as playmaker, is playing as good of defense as Rondo due to a higher effort level, and is a much better offensive player. In fact, when Eddie is shooting this badly, he is still a better offensive threat than Rondo.

I have to disagree.  They want a vet presence for the playoffs off the bench.  I believe they think he is still capable of playing better then he did last year.

At this point Sam is like having AI without the scoring.

[hwangjini_1]

well, for what it may add to this thread.... this year's shooting stats for rondo are grim, very grim.

in 31 minutes he has been shooting...
fg = 43.8 %
3 pt  = 0 %, yes 0 as in zero, nada, zip, 없다. he has yet to make one this year.
ft - 53.7%, down from last year's 61.1 % which was considered abysmal by everyone last year.

from the couple of games i saw this year rondo has reverted to his old bad habit of simply flinging the ball up from any position. last year he shot 49 % and partly because he would set his feet, square up to the basket, and take his time.

this year i have watched him push the ball, throw the ball, heave the ball...but rarely shoot the ball. his mechanics seem to be completely out of whack and he takes shots while leaning in, right, out, left, any which way. in those few games i watched, i did not see anything that looked like a consistent shooting form from rondo.

rondo's shooting has regressed, not improved. and that is not good news for the title defense.

the past 4 games have been particularly horrific. in his last 4 games rondo has shot...
0-1
1-8
2-8
2-8

a 4 game total of 5 for 25, or  20% and scored an average of 3.25 points a game.
during the same 4 games stretch he shot 3 of 6 in free throws.

doc needs to make him learn to shoot the ball, not throw it up from which ever angle seems convenient at the time.

rondo's current shooting is really unacceptable for the starting pg on the world champion nba team.

as good as he is with assists, steals, and maybe rebounds for the season his shotting is so bad as to negate many of the positives he generates.

house is a nice back up, but is also inconsistent. we all hoped rondo would improve this year with his shooting, as he did last year. but so far that has not been the case. indeed, even rondo seems to know he is having a terrible time shooting since he seems reluctant to shoot at times.

the answer? not cassell, he kills ball movement. good for quick offense off the bench, but not much more.

pruitt? what the heck, give him some time and let's see. maybe doc is right and what he sees in practice tells me pruitt is not ready. but unless pruitt is truely bad in practice, i hope doc puts him on the floor a little bit more.

[Roy Hobbs]

well, for what it may add to this thread.... this year's shooting stats for rondo are grim, very grim.

in 31 minutes he has been shooting...
fg = 43.8 %
3 pt  = 0 %, yes 0 as in zero, nada, zip, 없다. he has yet to make one this year.
ft - 53.7%, down from last year's 61.1 % which was considered abysmal by everyone last year.

Even worse?  He's shooting 16.1% on jumpshots. 

Link.

[hwangjini_1]

well, for what it may add to this thread.... this year's shooting stats for rondo are grim, very grim.

in 31 minutes he has been shooting...
fg = 43.8 %
3 pt  = 0 %, yes 0 as in zero, nada, zip, 없다. he has yet to make one this year.
ft - 53.7%, down from last year's 61.1 % which was considered abysmal by everyone last year.

Even worse?  He's shooting 16.1% on jumpshots. 

Link.

whoa! thanks for the link RH. 16 % is pretty bad by anyone's measure. 

something's got to give with rondo. he did shoot 49 % last year, so the coaching staff needs to make him learn better shooting form.

heck, look at perk so far this year. he actually has a credible little hook and jump shot near the basket. unheard of a year or two ago. and i almost passed out when i saw him hit an 18 foot jump shot.

if they can teach perk to shoot, they should be able to teach rondo. so there is hope.

[Fan from VT]

I don't think he'll ever be a "good" shooter unless he seriously turns his practice habits around, but one thing that would help him greatly is learning when to shoot. I can't believe how many times he passes up an open jumper to get a teammate a worse shot or drive into a dangerous situation. Likewise, he tends to get into the paint then kick out to covered people late in the shot clock rather than lay up a difficult layup that, if taken, is still a better percentage shot than the ones he is sometimes setting up for teammates.