Charlie Rosen: "If the Celtics can't repeat, it's their own fault"

[BballTim]

BTW, I can feel that the Celtics have the best starting five in the league and that their chances of repeating rely almost entirely on the top 8 players they have and yet still not like what Danny has done this offseason without being negative about the team. I just feel that a better job could have been done.

  Absolutely you can. And you might be right that a better job could be have been done. But that doesn't mean that Ainge has this roster because of mistakes and miscalculations in the FA market this summer.

[wdleehi]

BTW, I can feel that the Celtics have the best starting five in the league and that their chances of repeating rely almost entirely on the top 8 players they have and yet still not like what Danny has done this offseason without being negative about the team. I just feel that a better job could have been done.

  Absolutely you can. And you might be right that a better job could be have been done. But that doesn't mean that Ainge has this roster because of mistakes and miscalculations in the FA market this summer.

That's where I disagree.


I think Ainge was sure no one was going to give Posey the extra year he wanted and Posey would be back in Boston. 

Otherwise, he would likely have not waited till the end to look around for a replacement, finding only TA. 

[bucknersrevenge]

BTW, I can feel that the Celtics have the best starting five in the league and that their chances of repeating rely almost entirely on the top 8 players they have and yet still not like what Danny has done this offseason without being negative about the team. I just feel that a better job could have been done.

  Absolutely you can. And you might be right that a better job could be have been done. But that doesn't mean that Ainge has this roster because of mistakes and miscalculations in the FA market this summer.

That's where I disagree.


I think Ainge was sure no one was going to give Posey the extra year he wanted and Posey would be back in Boston. 

Otherwise, he would likely have not waited till the end to look around for a replacement, finding only TA. 

And that's where I disagree because Ainge didn't wait til the end. He went after Maggette early. In fact at the same time. Also at the same time he submitted a vet minimum offer to Mike Finley. Maggz ended up with the longterm deal he wanted for big money. Finley chose familiarity and staying with the Spurs.

Ainge set his value, same as he did with Maggette and with Finley. It's not that Ainge didn't think someone would offer Posey more. It's just that Ainge didn't care at all and I can't say I blame him either.

[Birdbrain]

BTW, I can feel that the Celtics have the best starting five in the league and that their chances of repeating rely almost entirely on the top 8 players they have and yet still not like what Danny has done this offseason without being negative about the team. I just feel that a better job could have been done.

  Absolutely you can. And you might be right that a better job could be have been done. But that doesn't mean that Ainge has this roster because of mistakes and miscalculations in the FA market this summer.

That's where I disagree.


I think Ainge was sure no one was going to give Posey the extra year he wanted and Posey would be back in Boston. 

Otherwise, he would likely have not waited till the end to look around for a replacement, finding only TA. 

And that's where you would be wrong.  Ainge could have easily gave him the extra year so who cares what he thought Posey would take.  That's called smart business.

[Sweet17]

We still have a good team and a good chance at repeating.  However, those chances weren't maximized.

1) I don't think you can say that. At least not with any degree of certainty. Danny pinpointed athleticism as a weak spot. These recent moves will inject more athleticism into our rotation, IMHO. I believe Danny felt that lack of athleticism hurt us both in the Cleveland series and the Atlanta series. Those series were so close they likely sent a real scare into Danny.

2) I think you have to look at the high likelyhood that such moves (as not resigning Posey) extends our window. If you in fact view a bit of luck as a huge factor in our championship this year it makes little sense to throw all your weight behind NEXT year at the sacrifice of future years. Since in EVERY year luck plays a factor - you want to keep your team competitive for a longer period and thus try your luck. Thus if the C's chances "drop" to 50% this year - perhaps they stay at 45% for the next 3 after that instead of following down to 10 because we can't sign anyone after RA contract runs out. <g>

I am reminded of the Patriots who showed a willingness to sacrifice heroes even after a championship. Guys like Laywer Milloy or Deon Branch..


Pete
 

[billysan]

Danny pinpointed athleticism as a weak spot. These recent moves will inject more athleticism into our rotation, IMHO. I believe Danny felt that lack of athleticism hurt us both in the Cleveland series and the Atlanta series. Those series were so close they likely sent a real scare into Danny.

This will prove to be a truth for us as the 'big three' continue to age. Many here will agree that superior athleticism is paramount to playing good defense if the player has a reasonable amount of smarts and desire.

Adding an established star would have been great for depth and dynasty reasons. I was as giddy as anyone with the thought of adding Maggette. It didnt work out and like the loss of Posey was probably for the best from a team financial standpoint.

The athleticism and upside of our rookies and POB may not work out right away, but they will play hard and all have a good chance to become productive role players. I dont see us keeping them long if they dont.

[CoachBo]

And we won't keep all of them, I am quite certain.

BTW, I flatly reject the notion that Ainge went into the off-season intending to replace Posey with a player to whom he refused to make a qualifying offer. That's nonsense. He low-balled Posey and he lost, leaving himself with no other fascimile than Tony.

Tony better get smart all of a sudden, or Ainge is going to be easily exposed on that one.

[bucknersrevenge]

And we won't keep all of them, I am quite certain.

BTW, I flatly reject the notion that Ainge went into the off-season intending to replace Posey with a player to whom he refused to make a qualifying offer. That's nonsense. He low-balled Posey and he lost, leaving himself with no other fascimile than Tony.

Tony better get smart all of a sudden, or Ainge is going to be easily exposed on that one.

Who's disagreeing with that? Ainge went into the offseason and made offers to Posey, to Corey Maggette and to Michael Finley. 2 chose better offers. Finley chose to stay wth a team he was already familiar with. That's fine. We bring back Tony who was the next best thing. He didn't low ball Posey. He just didn't give him the number of years Posey wanted. He had to weigh overpaying for Posey versus financial obligations and future roster flexibility. He valued the latter more. That's the problem people are having. Ainge didn't gamble without a safety net. He was simply stubborn and refused to budge from his offer. It's not that Ainge was oblivious to the consequences of his actions. He knew the consequences and just didn't give a ****.