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Lakers crying and national media
« on: June 09, 2008, 01:55:44 PM »

Offline john191919

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So it is really getting out of hand. I dont no if anyone caught a part of the postgame on espn last night but Wilborn from PTI said that this was the worst officiated game he has ever seen and said it was obviously one sided. Then Phil overrated Jackson was complaning about his team not getting to the line and Leon getting there more then the lakers. Well someone let Jackson and Wilbon no that the lakers are settling for outside shots and not taking it to the basket maybe that is why they aint getting calls???? why are the celtics getting calls and why is leon getting to the line Phil? This is an easy one you idiot he is goin up strong and takes it to the basket hard every single time and gets hit.That is when fouls are usually called so tell ya team to go to the basket more and they may get those calls to that is just a suggestion i have for you to tell ya team...... Celtics in 5

Re: Lakers crying and national media
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2008, 01:59:28 PM »

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So it is really getting out of hand. I dont no if anyone caught a part of the postgame on espn last night but Wilborn from PTI said that this was the worst officiated game he has ever seen and said it was obviously one sided. Then Phil overrated Jackson was complaning about his team not getting to the line and Leon getting there more then the lakers. Well someone let Jackson and Wilbon no that the lakers are settling for outside shots and not taking it to the basket maybe that is why they aint getting calls???? why are the celtics getting calls and why is leon getting to the line Phil? This is an easy one you idiot he is goin up strong and takes it to the basket hard every single time and gets hit.That is when fouls are usually called so tell ya team to go to the basket more and they may get those calls to that is just a suggestion i have for you to tell ya team...... Celtics in 5

Mike Wilbon has pick against the Celtics since the Cleveland series.  He pick the Lakers I think in 6 games. Wilbon is also in bed with Kobe so he's not going to give the Cs any love so I could careless what he has to say. Lets face it people aren't going to give the Cs credit until the win it all. 

Re: Lakers crying and national media
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2008, 02:08:25 PM »

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Jon Barry called Wilpon out last night, basically saying that the Celtics deserved the free throw disparaty because they were the more aggressive team. It is killing Wilpon that the Lakers lost the first two.

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Re: Lakers crying and national media
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2008, 02:40:08 PM »

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It was a one-sided second quarter from an officiating standpoint. I can't dispute that at all. There was a 3-4 minute stretch where every call went the Celtics way. Honestly, it felt like the stretch in the 3rd quarter of Game 6 against Detroit where Bennett Salvatore went into "there's no way the Celtics win this game" mode. I felt it when it hurt us, I have to feel it and comment on it when it helps us.

That said, it was the second quarter. It helped us to a 12 point lead at the half. From that point, though, it's all the Lakers' fault, and it was the 3rd quarter, not the 2nd, that won the game for the Celtics. And from that point on, any foul/free throw differential was the result of the Celtics being far more aggressive, taking the ball to the rim, and the Lakers being disheartened and repeatedly settling for jumpers. If you don't try to get in the lane, you're not going to get foul calls.

Kobe should have gone to the free throw line a couple more times in the first half. Powe probably got one more trip to the line than he should have. However, most of those calls were legit. The real difference at that point was LA's inability to keep a man on Leon inside - they played the sieve defense Laker fans have been denying the existence of. They let Powe be wide open, and when he went up for shots, they fouled him. On the other hand, they weren't getting inside nearly enough on their end, and fouls don't often get called on jump shots. It was especially surprising to me because I thought Pau Gasol was playing very well and they should have used him more.

And while the refs did give the Celtics a lot in the second, think back to that third quarter in Game 6 against Detroit. The refs left it open in the fourth, and it was Pierce who went into "there's no way we're losing this game" mode. The Lakers didn't do that in the 3rd when they could and should have. When they went on a 10-3 run in the third and cut it to 9, Doc called an excellent timeout and we came back with a 15-2 run, unaided by any calls from the officials, to close out the quarter, highlighted by three huge plays from Leon (the alley-oop layin, the dunk assisted by Pierce and the dunk assisted by Rondo). The Lakers have nobody to blame for that except themselves.

And for all the attention on Wilbon complaining about it, I have to give credit to J.A. Adande, an unabashed Laker fan and LA writer, who submitted this passage in his game summary:

"Not even the extended make-up calls throughout the second half evened the balance in the Lakers' minds. There was an unnecessary foul on Ray Allen, a questionable offensive foul on Rajon Rondo and Lamar Odom rode P.J. Brown out of bounds on a rebound attempt with no call.

"Most blatant of all, Vladimir Radmanovic took so many steps he looked like he was training for the Boston Marathon when he went in for the breakaway dunk that cut the Celtics' lead to four.

"The Lakers had their breaks, too, and couldn't capitalize."

That's it right there. I live in SoCal, and listened to Lakers-sympathetic radio shows after the game last night and this morning. While a lot of fans are pointing to officiating, one guy on ESPN 710 correctly said, "the Lakers got blown out tonight 108-102. Don't be fooled by the final score, this was an absolute blowout by the Celtics." The hosts generally pointed out that despite any questionable officiating, the Lakers refused to play defense and refused to try to attack the rim.

The officials had an impact on the game, for sure, but the Lakers had every opportunity to come back and take that game. Their refusal to play defense in the third quarter and their decision to settle for jumpshots from the second quarter on is what lost the game for them.
Go Celtics.

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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2008, 03:46:47 PM »

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So it is really getting out of hand. I dont no if anyone caught a part of the postgame on espn last night but Wilborn from PTI said that this was the worst officiated game he has ever seen and said it was obviously one sided. Then Phil overrated Jackson was complaning about his team not getting to the line and Leon getting there more then the lakers. Well someone let Jackson and Wilbon no that the lakers are settling for outside shots and not taking it to the basket maybe that is why they aint getting calls???? why are the celtics getting calls and why is leon getting to the line Phil? This is an easy one you idiot he is goin up strong and takes it to the basket hard every single time and gets hit.That is when fouls are usually called so tell ya team to go to the basket more and they may get those calls to that is just a suggestion i have for you to tell ya team...... Celtics in 5

yes the Celtics deserved most of their foul calls, and [sarcasm] yes, the lakers deserved zero calls all game as well as kobe out a full quarter for 2 touch fouls on Allen[/sarcasm]


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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2008, 11:20:14 PM »

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So it is really getting out of hand. I dont no if anyone caught a part of the postgame on espn last night but Wilborn from PTI said that this was the worst officiated game he has ever seen and said it was obviously one sided. Then Phil overrated Jackson was complaning about his team not getting to the line and Leon getting there more then the lakers. Well someone let Jackson and Wilbon no that the lakers are settling for outside shots and not taking it to the basket maybe that is why they aint getting calls???? why are the celtics getting calls and why is leon getting to the line Phil? This is an easy one you idiot he is goin up strong and takes it to the basket hard every single time and gets hit.That is when fouls are usually called so tell ya team to go to the basket more and they may get those calls to that is just a suggestion i have for you to tell ya team...... Celtics in 5

yes the Celtics deserved most of their foul calls, and [sarcasm] yes, the lakers deserved zero calls all game as well as kobe out a full quarter for 2 touch fouls on Allen[/sarcasm]





I admit that the refs were awful last night.  I also admit that I am as biased as they get.  But call me crazy, I don't see the gripe with the first two calls on Kobe like everyone else does.  I guess people are just used to him getting the superduper star treatment.  He grabbed Ray running off a pick, then he blatantly elbowed Ray in the chest.  Neither of those plays are allowed in the game of basketball.  Kobe should have to play by the same rules as everyone else.
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Re: Lakers crying and national media
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2008, 01:09:09 AM »

Offline Thruthelookingglass

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There's a lot of truth there Paintitgreen.

I make a distinction between having an effect on the game and controlling its outcome.  The wierd calls did effect the game.  It confused and frustrated players.  All the players.  Yet it was the Lakers who succumbed to the "blame the refs" attitude which is so detrimental to team success.  It was the Lakers who found the excuse to fail and failed.  They did a poor job of getting physical, fouled, got called for it and conveniently blamed the refs. 

Instead of a backlash like the Laker fans are hoping, I think the next officiating crew has to go out, call it like they see it--and confirm that the free throw disparity was largely earned. 

It was a one-sided second quarter from an officiating standpoint. I can't dispute that at all. There was a 3-4 minute stretch where every call went the Celtics way. Honestly, it felt like the stretch in the 3rd quarter of Game 6 against Detroit where Bennett Salvatore went into "there's no way the Celtics win this game" mode. I felt it when it hurt us, I have to feel it and comment on it when it helps us.

That said, it was the second quarter. It helped us to a 12 point lead at the half. From that point, though, it's all the Lakers' fault, and it was the 3rd quarter, not the 2nd, that won the game for the Celtics. And from that point on, any foul/free throw differential was the result of the Celtics being far more aggressive, taking the ball to the rim, and the Lakers being disheartened and repeatedly settling for jumpers. If you don't try to get in the lane, you're not going to get foul calls.

Kobe should have gone to the free throw line a couple more times in the first half. Powe probably got one more trip to the line than he should have. However, most of those calls were legit. The real difference at that point was LA's inability to keep a man on Leon inside - they played the sieve defense Laker fans have been denying the existence of. They let Powe be wide open, and when he went up for shots, they fouled him. On the other hand, they weren't getting inside nearly enough on their end, and fouls don't often get called on jump shots. It was especially surprising to me because I thought Pau Gasol was playing very well and they should have used him more.

And while the refs did give the Celtics a lot in the second, think back to that third quarter in Game 6 against Detroit. The refs left it open in the fourth, and it was Pierce who went into "there's no way we're losing this game" mode. The Lakers didn't do that in the 3rd when they could and should have. When they went on a 10-3 run in the third and cut it to 9, Doc called an excellent timeout and we came back with a 15-2 run, unaided by any calls from the officials, to close out the quarter, highlighted by three huge plays from Leon (the alley-oop layin, the dunk assisted by Pierce and the dunk assisted by Rondo). The Lakers have nobody to blame for that except themselves.

And for all the attention on Wilbon complaining about it, I have to give credit to J.A. Adande, an unabashed Laker fan and LA writer, who submitted this passage in his game summary:

"Not even the extended make-up calls throughout the second half evened the balance in the Lakers' minds. There was an unnecessary foul on Ray Allen, a questionable offensive foul on Rajon Rondo and Lamar Odom rode P.J. Brown out of bounds on a rebound attempt with no call.

"Most blatant of all, Vladimir Radmanovic took so many steps he looked like he was training for the Boston Marathon when he went in for the breakaway dunk that cut the Celtics' lead to four.

"The Lakers had their breaks, too, and couldn't capitalize."

That's it right there. I live in SoCal, and listened to Lakers-sympathetic radio shows after the game last night and this morning. While a lot of fans are pointing to officiating, one guy on ESPN 710 correctly said, "the Lakers got blown out tonight 108-102. Don't be fooled by the final score, this was an absolute blowout by the Celtics." The hosts generally pointed out that despite any questionable officiating, the Lakers refused to play defense and refused to try to attack the rim.

The officials had an impact on the game, for sure, but the Lakers had every opportunity to come back and take that game. Their refusal to play defense in the third quarter and their decision to settle for jumpshots from the second quarter on is what lost the game for them.

Re: Lakers crying and national media
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2008, 01:14:25 AM »

Offline NoraG1

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Jon Barry called Wilpon out last night, basically saying that the Celtics deserved the free throw disparaty because they were the more aggressive team. It is killing Wilpon that the Lakers lost the first two.

It must be killing him because he also said after game 1 that if the Celtics win game 2 that it was likely the Celtics would win the title. He is obviously showing is Laker bias. Not very professional of a analyst if you ask me.

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Unless someone rips off Kobe's
head, then puts it on a necklace,
wears it as a trophy for the remainder
of the game and it's NOT a foul, the
Lakers can cry all they want. I'll even
send 'em boxes of Kleenex.
This clearly was not as bad as Detroit.
Not in the least.