At what point do we bench Perk?

[Reyquila]

Dont get lost on statistics about shooting %'s and the lower %'s the opposition scores when Perk is playing. Boxscores dont tell the whole story. Duncan does not have the best Stats as a 4 and is not as good as KG. Ginobli cant carry PP's shoes in any stat. Parker cannot carry Rondo's shoes. Bowen is 1/2 the player Ray Allen is and is older than dirt.  Robert Horry is not in the same league as PP nor Ray and is just as old as Bowen.
Statistically we are so much better that the Spurs this year we beat them twice. What does that mean?
 We only lost one series, and it was with the Wizzards and they lost in the first round. That means that we won against every other team in the league. We have nobody injured so, statitically, we should have smooth sailing to Pennant 17. Therefore, dont worry, be happy. Still, I would upgrade the 5 position.

[tanner]

We don't have a perfect big right now.  Gotta choose one to play alongside KG.  If not Perk, then who?        

Powe?  3 rebounds, 25 minutes in the past 3 games.  I don't think I've seen him draw charges lately either.  He's so much inferior to Perk in defensive rotations and guarding pick-and-rolls and he cannot handle Z.  When he's in, Doc puts KG on Z.  I'd rather have KG on Wallace as much as possible allowing KG to freelance defensively.    
    
PJ?  He's been effective with the limited minutes he's gotten--grabbing boards and guarding Z--but at his age, can he be as effective playing significant minutes?  Also, he does not finish strongly at the basket anymore (which has been the primary complaint on Perk).    

Baby?  He's as turnover and foul prone as Perk (another major complaint on Perk).  His post defense on Z is better but Z should eat him alive in rebounding.  Like Powe, he's not a shot-blocker and not a better interior defender.  Doc's bringing him in now more for energy than anything.

[wdleehi]

All this complaining, but the numbers show the Celtics have been better with Perkins on the floor in this series. 

[MVP]

Dont get lost on statistics about shooting %'s and the lower %'s the opposition scores when Perk is playing. Boxscores dont tell the whole story. Duncan does not have the best Stats as a 4 and is not as good as KG. Ginobli cant carry PP's shoes in any stat. Parker cannot carry Rondo's shoes. Bowen is 1/2 the player Ray Allen is and is older than dirt.  Robert Horry is not in the same league as PP nor Ray and is just as old as Bowen.
Statistically we are so much better that the Spurs this year we beat them twice. What does that mean?
 We only lost one series, and it was with the Wizzards and they lost in the first round. That means that we won against every other team in the league. We have nobody injured so, statitically, we should have smooth sailing to Pennant 17. Therefore, dont worry, be happy. Still, I would upgrade the 5 position.

Umm, what? Duncan had as good stats as KG. Parker can't carry Rondo's shoes? Where did you get that one from? Ginobli had amazing stats this year actually, he just only played 30 minutes a game. The stats show that Parker, Ginobli and Duncan are pretty good.

[mattyweb]

Perk has had his moments this season, but he has looked terrible during this series.  I'm not talking about his lack of offense (anything we get out of him in that department is gravy), but he has simply not been carrying his weight on the defensive end either.

There is no way that Z should be getting the open looks he's been getting.  And last night that was less his problem--I remember a couple of times when his man would be setting picks for the ballhandler and Perk would just be hanging out by the basket guarding no one.  Cleveland seems to have been drawing him away from the basket and Perk has looked lost on D.

I think they're better off going smaller with either Posey or Powe out there.

[wdleehi]

Perk has had his moments this season, but he has looked terrible during this series.  I'm not talking about his lack of offense (anything we get out of him in that department is gravy), but he has simply not been carrying his weight on the defensive end either.

There is no way that Z should be getting the open looks he's been getting.  And last night that was less his problem--I remember a couple of times when his man would be setting picks for the ballhandler and Perk would just be hanging out by the basket guarding no one.  Cleveland seems to have been drawing him away from the basket and Perk has looked lost on D.

I think they're better off going smaller with either Posey or Powe out there.

Big men are getting shots because the Celtics are using the big men to double James (as far out as the three point line) 

[Reyquila]

The question posted is when do we bench Perk? I dont think that we can bench perk. He is the only big we have, so we have to play him for better or worse. Whetehr we play him less in favor of Powe and/or Davis would depend on specific matchups at specific times, if we get past the Cavaliers. Thats a no brainer.The issue really is whether next yae we should do whatever it takes to upgrade the Center position or whetehr we give perk his 6th year of development to see if he will do a Rondo on us and make us feel no new Center is needed. thats the issue for Danny. As to Parker, Duncan and Ginobli; if we make a poll as to who we would take between Duncan and KG; the majority of celtic fans would choose KG. The inmense majority would choose PP over Ginobli and the majority or 100% would choose Rondo over Parker. because our 3 are much better players than the other three. How many rings do their playesr have and how many among KG, PP and Rondo? Gimme those those 3 over our big three and I think we would have a better chance of winning pennant 17. One thing is being a fan; another is being a fanatic. How many fans have repeatedly sau Ginobli is a flopper and he cant carry PP's shoes? I dont know if he cant carry PP's shoes; but he is a pretty good hustling player and will drive in all the time; maybe PP has lost a step, but he's been settling for the long shot a little too much. I just dislike (I dont use the word "hate") how most opposing players are downgraded in here as if they were all so inferior to our own. Like everybody hates Kobe. I think he is an excellent team player and shows it day after day; so is Lebron. 

[BballTim]

If Detroit was so severely outrebounded by Philly and Orlando, then I was mistaken; sorry. If we beat the Cavs then we will only have to worry about Orlando or Philly, whichever wins their series. Detroit wont be a problem then. I was just waiting to see Perks gobble up Detroit. Now he will have to deal with probably Howard, who ate up the Pistons. Right?

  We were a better rebounding team than Detroit during the season. We've been a better rebounding team than during the playoffs. I think we outrebounded them when we played them this year. It's a little early to panic over losing the rebounding battle.

[BballTim]

Perk has had his moments this season, but he has looked terrible during this series.  I'm not talking about his lack of offense (anything we get out of him in that department is gravy), but he has simply not been carrying his weight on the defensive end either.

There is no way that Z should be getting the open looks he's been getting.  And last night that was less his problem--I remember a couple of times when his man would be setting picks for the ballhandler and Perk would just be hanging out by the basket guarding no one.  Cleveland seems to have been drawing him away from the basket and Perk has looked lost on D.

I think they're better off going smaller with either Posey or Powe out there.

  We can either try and stop LeBron and let the other Cavs try and beat us or let LeBron go nuts and shut down everyone else. Clearly the bigs are watching LeBron, and Cleveland's bigs are benefiting from it.

[BballTim]

Dont get lost on statistics about shooting %'s and the lower %'s the opposition scores when Perk is playing. Boxscores dont tell the whole story. Duncan does not have the best Stats as a 4 and is not as good as KG. Ginobli cant carry PP's shoes in any stat. Parker cannot carry Rondo's shoes. Bowen is 1/2 the player Ray Allen is and is older than dirt.  Robert Horry is not in the same league as PP nor Ray and is just as old as Bowen.
Statistically we are so much better that the Spurs this year we beat them twice. What does that mean?
 We only lost one series, and it was with the Wizzards and they lost in the first round. That means that we won against every other team in the league. We have nobody injured so, statitically, we should have smooth sailing to Pennant 17. Therefore, dont worry, be happy. Still, I would upgrade the 5 position.

  There are other stats that make it seem unlikely we'll win the title. And stats aren't everything, but they aren't meaningless either. And, hey, I'd upgrade Perk too. Then I'd upgrade Allen, and then Rondo, Pierce and KG. There's always going to be a weakest link. But if you want to upgrade Perk, who are you going to bring in, and what players are you going to give up to bring in that player?

[Bossco]

Didn't anyone watch the first game of this series? Perk played great! He was one of the main reasons that Lebron was held in check. He was 3/4 from the field, had 12 rebounds and 2 blocks in 35 minutes. It was one of the few times that doc actually let him play most of the game.

I read a recent article in the Boston Herald where Paul Pierce had all kinds of praise for him. He said that Perk knows his role on the team, and doesn't mind doing the dirty work. Pierce actually said that Perk could be a all-star center in this league. He said that he has kept on improving every year.

Another note: The last time that we played Detroit on March 5th, Perk had 20 rebounds! 20 reb (6 oreb), 10 points, 2 blocks in 33 min.

[Edgar]

not to mention that block on bron
ohhh beautifull block
we need the size we need perk there
wonder what happend if pollard been around
do u remember him
yes pollard the one from the planet of the same name
I am sure a couple of u forgot about him
wasnt he supposed to be the perfect backup
man
things change quickly around .......
beleive me or not this team miss a 7 footer not called 6 13 garnett.

[Vermont Green]

Top Individual Players 
Player 1 Team + - +/- Min +/- /Min G
 
K. Garnett  Celtics  896  -784  112  446:16  .250  12 
R. Allen  Celtics  892  -809  83  454:39  .182  12 
R. Rondo  Celtics  728  -663  65  367:49  .176  12 
K. Perkins  Celtics  581  -518  63  298:22  .211  12 
P. Pierce  Celtics  829  -771  58  418:49  .138  12 
S. Cassell  Celtics  330  -305  25  174:22  .143  12 
L. Powe  Celtics  378  -360  18  191:44  .093  12 
J. Posey  Celtics  504  -492  12  271:03  .044  12 
T. Allen  Celtics  74  -73  1  39:42  .025  9 
E. House  Celtics  73  -82  -9  40:46  -.220  10 
P. Brown  Celtics  144  -168  -24  94:39  -.253  11 
G. Davis  Celtics  141  -165  -24  81:43  -.293  12 
 
These +/- stats may not copy well but the second to last column is +/- per minute played. Perk is the highest on the team after KG. http://www.nba.com/statistics/lenovo/lenovo_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=42007&split=9&team=Celtics   All stats aside, I am really surprised that anyone would watch these games and and come to the conclusion that we should play KP less or not at all.  I am just the opposite, I am holding my breath while the other guys are in there and not him (and the basic +/- stats support that we score more points than the other guys when Perk is in there).  It may not be pretty and maybe that is what the anti-Perks are being affected by.  Anyway, I don't get it.

[KeepDWest]

the man is a beast - watch the man play defense - he has had a huge effect on lebron .

i think the problem is that people don't really watch whats going on on defense . . . this man is a top 5 defensive center within this scheme . . . there is a stat out there that also shows that it is not perk who benefits from KG, but KG who benefits from perk

From perkisabeast

 With Perkins, I don’t think people realize just how good he has been defensively this season. Garnett doesn’t do much of what he does without Perkins as his wingman. To wit, below is the effect on points per 100 possessions, both offensive and defensive, that Perkins has on

Garnett’s game:

Kevin Garnett (w/ Perkins):

Team ORtg 113.23
Team DRtg 94.25
Team OReb% 27.88%
Team DReb% 74.84%
Expected Win% .929

Kevin Garnett (w/o Perkins):

Team ORtg 112.89
Team DRtg 102.23
Team OReb% 28.61%
Team DReb% 69.76%
Expected Win% .800

The Celtics are a very good team with Kevin Garnett. They are a great team with Garnett/Perkins. While Perkins still has things to iron out, he has been more important to the team’s success than all other players on the team not named Rondo, Garnett or Pierce, imo. Perkins is a B+ easily in my book. He has been absolutely fantastic supporting the three stars on the team - Rondo, Pierce and Garnett.