Frontcourt Is Going To Be An Issue This Postseason

[Moranis]

As I said earlier in the thread, I totally get the moves over the summer when pretty much everyone thought Boston wasn't going to be very good and it looked like Tatum was going to miss the year.  Getting out of the tax and going for a high draft pick in a good deep draft made sense.  My issue is what the team did at the deadline.  At the deadline, the team was good and clearly going to make the playoffs, Tatum was progressing well, and the East was wide open.  Boston should have gone for it.  Plan should have changed when circumstances changed.

That's a fair POV, but I have yet to see anybody propose a deadline trade that was realistic, worked under the CBA, and made us better.  We could have taken on about $8 million in salary to remain under the first apron.

Who knows what might have been out there had they actually been interested in making moves.   

[jambr380]

As I said earlier in the thread, I totally get the moves over the summer when pretty much everyone thought Boston wasn't going to be very good and it looked like Tatum was going to miss the year.  Getting out of the tax and going for a high draft pick in a good deep draft made sense.  My issue is what the team did at the deadline.  At the deadline, the team was good and clearly going to make the playoffs, Tatum was progressing well, and the East was wide open.  Boston should have gone for it.  Plan should have changed when circumstances changed.

That's a fair POV, but I have yet to see anybody propose a deadline trade that was realistic, worked under the CBA, and made us better.  We could have taken on about $8 million in salary to remain under the first apron.

I said it before, but I think Dosunmu would have made us better and I think Jaren Jackson Jr would have made us better. I would rather have rolled with Simons and added a big like Yves Missi or Dayron Sharpe.

There were ways to improve the team - some more expensive than others - but bringing on Vucevic strictly for tax purposes and hoping he won?t suck wasn?t awesome, even at the time.

And since we ducked the tax this year, it only makes sense for us to do it next year, especially with so many guys on the last year of their cheaper contracts. I just think that?s disappointing. We didn?t even get an awesome pick out this gap year like the Pacers did

[Moranis]

As I said earlier in the thread, I totally get the moves over the summer when pretty much everyone thought Boston wasn't going to be very good and it looked like Tatum was going to miss the year.  Getting out of the tax and going for a high draft pick in a good deep draft made sense.  My issue is what the team did at the deadline.  At the deadline, the team was good and clearly going to make the playoffs, Tatum was progressing well, and the East was wide open.  Boston should have gone for it.  Plan should have changed when circumstances changed.

That's a fair POV, but I have yet to see anybody propose a deadline trade that was realistic, worked under the CBA, and made us better.  We could have taken on about $8 million in salary to remain under the first apron.

I said it before, but I think Dosunmu would have made us better and I think Jaren Jackson Jr would have made us better. I would rather have rolled with Simons and added a big like Yves Missi or Dayron Sharpe.

There were ways to improve the team - some more expensive than others - but bringing on Vucevic strictly for tax purposes and hoping he won?t suck wasn?t awesome, even at the time.

And since we ducked the tax this year, it only makes sense for us to do it next year, especially with so many guys on the last year of their cheaper contracts. I just think that?s disappointing. We didn?t even get an awesome pick out this gap year like the Pacers did

Those make sense.  Had Boston been willing to trade White, I think there were a lot of potential trades. 

[Roy H.]

As I said earlier in the thread, I totally get the moves over the summer when pretty much everyone thought Boston wasn't going to be very good and it looked like Tatum was going to miss the year.  Getting out of the tax and going for a high draft pick in a good deep draft made sense.  My issue is what the team did at the deadline.  At the deadline, the team was good and clearly going to make the playoffs, Tatum was progressing well, and the East was wide open.  Boston should have gone for it.  Plan should have changed when circumstances changed.

That's a fair POV, but I have yet to see anybody propose a deadline trade that was realistic, worked under the CBA, and made us better.  We could have taken on about $8 million in salary to remain under the first apron.

I said it before, but I think Dosunmu would have made us better and I think Jaren Jackson Jr would have made us better. I would rather have rolled with Simons and added a big like Yves Missi or Dayron Sharpe.

There were ways to improve the team - some more expensive than others - but bringing on Vucevic strictly for tax purposes and hoping he won?t suck wasn?t awesome, even at the time.

And since we ducked the tax this year, it only makes sense for us to do it next year, especially with so many guys on the last year of their cheaper contracts. I just think that?s disappointing. We didn?t even get an awesome pick out this gap year like the Pacers did

What was the Jackson trade we could have made, and how would we have kept the team together going forward?

I liked Dosunmu, as well, but I don't think we could have beat Minnesota's offer without including a #1 or Hugo, and he most likely would have been a rental.

Yves Messi is a project, yet would have cost a first rounder.  Simons missed the last two months of the season.

Lastly, Vuc wasn't brought on strictly for tax purposes.  The team figured it would be better with Vuc than Simons, particularly with Tatum coming back.

My guess is that if Brad had done any of the suggested moves certain folks would still be complaining.

[Vermont Green]

Lastly, Vuc wasn't brought on strictly for tax purposes.  The team figured it would be better with Vuc than Simons, particularly with Tatum coming back.

People need to realize this.  Trading for Vucevic was a good trade.  That it saved money too does not make it a bad trade.

The question is what other moves could have been done.  Were other moves passed on just to stay under the tax?  I don't know for sure this second part.  It has been debated for several pages and there is nothing definitive stated as a trade they didn't do just to save money.

[jambr380]

As I said earlier in the thread, I totally get the moves over the summer when pretty much everyone thought Boston wasn't going to be very good and it looked like Tatum was going to miss the year.  Getting out of the tax and going for a high draft pick in a good deep draft made sense.  My issue is what the team did at the deadline.  At the deadline, the team was good and clearly going to make the playoffs, Tatum was progressing well, and the East was wide open.  Boston should have gone for it.  Plan should have changed when circumstances changed.

That's a fair POV, but I have yet to see anybody propose a deadline trade that was realistic, worked under the CBA, and made us better.  We could have taken on about $8 million in salary to remain under the first apron.

I said it before, but I think Dosunmu would have made us better and I think Jaren Jackson Jr would have made us better. I would rather have rolled with Simons and added a big like Yves Missi or Dayron Sharpe.

There were ways to improve the team - some more expensive than others - but bringing on Vucevic strictly for tax purposes and hoping he won?t suck wasn?t awesome, even at the time.

And since we ducked the tax this year, it only makes sense for us to do it next year, especially with so many guys on the last year of their cheaper contracts. I just think that?s disappointing. We didn?t even get an awesome pick out this gap year like the Pacers did

What was the Jackson trade we could have made, and how would we have kept the team together going forward?

I liked Dosunmu, as well, but I don't think we could have beat Minnesota's offer without including a #1 or Hugo, and he most likely would have been a rental.

Yves Messi is a project, yet would have cost a first rounder.  Simons missed the last two months of the season.

Lastly, Vuc wasn't brought on strictly for tax purposes.  The team figured it would be better with Vuc than Simons, particularly with Tatum coming back.

My guess is that if Brad had done any of the suggested moves certain folks would still be complaining.

There were reports that we had significant interest in JJJ. I imagine it would have been something like Simons, Hauser, and two 1sts.

I don?t really care about our 1st this year. It?s at #27. If we had traded it and kept the Pelicans pick, it wouldn?t have been that much of a downgrade. For Ayo or Missi, that would have been fine.

Vucevic was a Center making the right level of money to get us under the tax. He checked all the boxes. But he definitely wasn?t this highly coveted asset. 35 year old Vucevic is closer to being out of the league than a valuable rotation piece

[Roy H.]

As I said earlier in the thread, I totally get the moves over the summer when pretty much everyone thought Boston wasn't going to be very good and it looked like Tatum was going to miss the year.  Getting out of the tax and going for a high draft pick in a good deep draft made sense.  My issue is what the team did at the deadline.  At the deadline, the team was good and clearly going to make the playoffs, Tatum was progressing well, and the East was wide open.  Boston should have gone for it.  Plan should have changed when circumstances changed.

That's a fair POV, but I have yet to see anybody propose a deadline trade that was realistic, worked under the CBA, and made us better.  We could have taken on about $8 million in salary to remain under the first apron.

I said it before, but I think Dosunmu would have made us better and I think Jaren Jackson Jr would have made us better. I would rather have rolled with Simons and added a big like Yves Missi or Dayron Sharpe.

There were ways to improve the team - some more expensive than others - but bringing on Vucevic strictly for tax purposes and hoping he won?t suck wasn?t awesome, even at the time.

And since we ducked the tax this year, it only makes sense for us to do it next year, especially with so many guys on the last year of their cheaper contracts. I just think that?s disappointing. We didn?t even get an awesome pick out this gap year like the Pacers did

What was the Jackson trade we could have made, and how would we have kept the team together going forward?

I liked Dosunmu, as well, but I don't think we could have beat Minnesota's offer without including a #1 or Hugo, and he most likely would have been a rental.

Yves Messi is a project, yet would have cost a first rounder.  Simons missed the last two months of the season.

Lastly, Vuc wasn't brought on strictly for tax purposes.  The team figured it would be better with Vuc than Simons, particularly with Tatum coming back.

My guess is that if Brad had done any of the suggested moves certain folks would still be complaining.

There were reports that we had significant interest in JJJ. I imagine it would have been something like Simons, Hauser, and two 1sts.

I don?t really care about our 1st this year. It?s at #27. If we had traded it and kept the Pelicans pick, it wouldn?t have been that much of a downgrade. For Ayo or Missi, that would have been fine.

Vucevic was a Center making the right level of money to get us under the tax. He checked all the boxes. But he definitely wasn?t this highly coveted asset. 35 year old Vucevic is closer to being out of the league than a valuable rotation piece

In what way is Simons + Hauser + two #1s better than what Utah traded?  They gave up three #1s (2027 LAL, 2027 UTA, 2031 PHX), Walter Clayton Jr. and Taylor Hendricks.

[Vermont Green]

As I said earlier in the thread, I totally get the moves over the summer when pretty much everyone thought Boston wasn't going to be very good and it looked like Tatum was going to miss the year.  Getting out of the tax and going for a high draft pick in a good deep draft made sense.  My issue is what the team did at the deadline.  At the deadline, the team was good and clearly going to make the playoffs, Tatum was progressing well, and the East was wide open.  Boston should have gone for it.  Plan should have changed when circumstances changed.

That's a fair POV, but I have yet to see anybody propose a deadline trade that was realistic, worked under the CBA, and made us better.  We could have taken on about $8 million in salary to remain under the first apron.

I said it before, but I think Dosunmu would have made us better and I think Jaren Jackson Jr would have made us better. I would rather have rolled with Simons and added a big like Yves Missi or Dayron Sharpe.

There were ways to improve the team - some more expensive than others - but bringing on Vucevic strictly for tax purposes and hoping he won?t suck wasn?t awesome, even at the time.

And since we ducked the tax this year, it only makes sense for us to do it next year, especially with so many guys on the last year of their cheaper contracts. I just think that?s disappointing. We didn?t even get an awesome pick out this gap year like the Pacers did

What was the Jackson trade we could have made, and how would we have kept the team together going forward?

I liked Dosunmu, as well, but I don't think we could have beat Minnesota's offer without including a #1 or Hugo, and he most likely would have been a rental.

Yves Messi is a project, yet would have cost a first rounder.  Simons missed the last two months of the season.

Lastly, Vuc wasn't brought on strictly for tax purposes.  The team figured it would be better with Vuc than Simons, particularly with Tatum coming back.

My guess is that if Brad had done any of the suggested moves certain folks would still be complaining.

There were reports that we had significant interest in JJJ. I imagine it would have been something like Simons, Hauser, and two 1sts.

I don?t really care about our 1st this year. It?s at #27. If we had traded it and kept the Pelicans pick, it wouldn?t have been that much of a downgrade. For Ayo or Missi, that would have been fine.

Vucevic was a Center making the right level of money to get us under the tax. He checked all the boxes. But he definitely wasn?t this highly coveted asset. 35 year old Vucevic is closer to being out of the league than a valuable rotation piece

In what way is Simons + Hauser + two #1s better than what Utah traded?  They gave up three #1s (2027 LAL, 2027 UTA, 2031 PHX), Walter Clayton Jr. and Taylor Hendricks.

That and the fact that Jackson didn't play the rest of the year due to injury.