Bulls (12-15) at Celtics (21-5) Game #27 12/19/24

[Roy H.]

Joe needs to show more cool.  Going after a ref after the game isn't good for anybody.

No problem with it at all...esp when the crew is led by the WORST official in the league.

And, when other refs start coming after the Celts because of their reputation, we'll see if it was worth it.

The calls they got T'd up on were correct.

Don't think the techs were needed at all. Good refs allow star players to complain. Two techs were way to fast by a refs who inserted himself twice into the game.

Refs didn't cost them the game but it didn't help. They lost the game at the start of the 4th with a terrible line up and horrendous offense with no rebounding.

So, assume a couple of the techs were soft but didn't cost us the game.  Why is Joe raging at the refs for his poor coaching (plus that terrible challenge) and the team's poor play?

Maybe he needs his jujitsu instructor to choke him out some more.

[Roy H.]

Joe needs to show more cool.  Going after a ref after the game isn't good for anybody.

No problem with it at all...esp when the crew is led by the WORST official in the league.

And, when other refs start coming after the Celts because of their reputation, we'll see if it was worth it.

The calls they got T'd up on were correct.

Maybe JT's foul, but that was clearly JB's jumpball. He had his hands in there - both of them no less - first. That's clearly visible on the replay.

And that's not even considering that the initial T on Joe seemed overly aggressive and quick, and then typical Brothers let the emotions of the game affect him. That's been his MO his entire career.

Nope.  Pritchard got in there first and kept his hands on the ball.  Scal and Drew pointed that out after the game, too.

And, Joe lost his cool before Brothers (who didn't even call the tech on Joe).

[jpotter33]

Joe - clearly trying not to get fined - said in the press conference when asked what he was saying to the refs after the game when being held back, "I just hadn't seen them in a while and I wanted to make sure to tell them to have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Don't know if I'll see them again by the end of the year." 

Okay, he gets some prop points for that one from me. That had me cracking up haha

[Atzar]

Getting impatient with a few of these players this season.

Jaylen and Jrue are welcome to get off the parade float and turn the page to '24-'25 whenever they're ready.  They've both taken significant steps back offensively.  In Jrue's case I'm growing a bit worried that we're witnessing age-related decline rather than a simple shooting slump.  He has a steady diet of some of the easiest shots in the NBA and he's clanking them anyway. 

Can't help but feel like we misjudged a few things given that Springer and Tillman are on this roster and Lonnie Walker is not.  I don't know what price teams are demanding to absorb Springer's contract, but if a second would get it done, he should be gone already.  I was kind of perplexed even when we made the trade to acquire him but clung to a faint hope that perhaps we saw something in his jumpshot that we thought we could fix.  That hope is gone.  And Tillman has looked unplayable when he has gotten on the court this season.  Rapidly losing interest in Walsh as well but at least he's still young. 

We're fine.  I'm not looking for a bridge to jump from.  But I expect more from some of these guys.

[jpotter33]

Joe needs to show more cool.  Going after a ref after the game isn't good for anybody.

No problem with it at all...esp when the crew is led by the WORST official in the league.

And, when other refs start coming after the Celts because of their reputation, we'll see if it was worth it.

The calls they got T'd up on were correct.

Maybe JT's foul, but that was clearly JB's jumpball. He had his hands in there - both of them no less - first. That's clearly visible on the replay.

And that's not even considering that the initial T on Joe seemed overly aggressive and quick, and then typical Brothers let the emotions of the game affect him. That's been his MO his entire career.

Nope.  Pritchard got in there first and kept his hands on the ball.  Scal and Drew pointed that out after the game, too.

And, Joe lost his cool before Brothers (who didn't even call the tech on Joe).

Eh, after looking at it again from the other angle PP did have his hand in there first, but it was only one hand where JB had two. Borderline call but whatever.

The bigger issue as always with the refs is the lack of consistency. Apparently, the Joe T was because "he was on the court", yet how many times do you see that exact thing happen from coaches who are arguing with refs on the court with no T called? And then the Tatum technical was because of the small "hand wave" gesture, which is again another thing that is inconsistently called a T sometimes and other times let go. It was only called this time because of Tony letting his emotions go.

As for the "losing of cool" argument - not sure why that matters for Brothers for several reasons: (1) he is not the ref that was the recipient of Joe's anger, (2) Joe wasn't who Tony T'ed up with a bogus T, and (3) refs are supposed to be more accountable and not let emotions affect their judgment. The T he gave Tatum was only called because of what happened a few plays before and the emotion being high.

[ozgod]

As fans we're allowed to lose our nut at the refs from the comfort of our loungerooms (especially if we're a few sheets to the wind ). It's like yelling at them when you're at the Garden, safe in the knowledge that they can't hear you 

But it's disappointing for a player and coach to lose composure to the point where our game went to pieces after it. I just don't think that's the greatest mental strength displayed. I thought Joe was all about controlling the controllables, and the referees are about as big a "uncontrollable" as there is, after maybe the weather (for football games).

Anyone gets frustrated and anyone can get T'd up, especially in the face of unfairness or incompetence. I also get it when coaches strategically get Td up to stand up for their guys. But you can't let it affect how you play. You've got to be able to regroup. If you can't then you have to learn to control your emotions.

The saving grace is that it happened in a meaningless regular season game, against a team that we won't see in the playoffs. Imagine if it happened in the NBA finals - they get a bad call, they get Td up, it changes the momentum of the game, they lose the game. They'd be kicking themselves.

[Goldstar88]

Coaches get tossed all the time. Not sure what the fuss is about.

[trickybilly]

Oh we had a bad shooting game and lost. That's no good.

Fire Joe.

[Vermont Green]

Oh we had a bad shooting game and lost. That's no good.

Fire Joe.

14 for freaking 56 from 3.  Brown, White, Holiday a combined 4-24 (that is 16.7%).  That is Tillman level shooting from our starting guards.  It was ugly.

58.5% from 2, huh?  That is 0.75 pts per 3PA and 1.17 pts per 2PA, huh?

I get that towards the end we were jacking up 3 more than we normally would because we were behind, but that is still too many 3s in my opinion.  It is like in football where if you establish the run early, it opens up the defense for passing.  We need to make more effort to establish the inside game so that we can get better looks from 3 later.