Feel bad for Theis, but Brogdon Trade Looking Even Better

[Goldstar88]

Odd timing given that brogdon is now having issues with his hamstring.  Not to say it wasn’t a good trade, but this was the downside we all knew about. 

And, you don’t really judge this trade player for player.  Indiana and the celts wanted completely different things from the trade.  And now they have a rookie that looks pretty good, which is part of shooing off veterans.

And this is why it’s necessary to keep both Smart and White. Brogdon never plays a full season. C’s have to be very careful with him throughout the year as he will be important come playoff time.

And PP

I wouldn't go that far.  Having Smart, Brogdon, White, and Pritchard is a luxury, not a necessity.  Trading White or Pritchard for say a top 3 or top 4 on the roster big would not create a problem.  It would just balance our roster some.  I get that it is nice to have Pritchard there for the nights here and there that you expect Brogdon to miss but I think we are more vulnerable to the nights that Horford is expected to miss.  If we are able to reinforce our depth at big without giving up White or Pritchard, great but right now, we have a surplus at combo guard and we are thin elsewhere.

White is a starting caliber player in his prime on a very team friendly contract until 2025. I wouldn’t trade him unless you are getting a starting caliber big back. Brogdon is just too unreliable and Smart takes a beating out there. Wouldn’t be comfortable with Pritchard as a primary backup.

I agree but said another way, I would include White in a trade if it could get us back a big that was say better than Grant, even if not necessarily an established full time starter.  A comparable talent to White, a big who can start but isn't necessarily a great starter.  We would lose some depth at combo guard but if we got comparable added depth at big in return, I feel we come out ahead with a more balanced roster.  And if it was say White and a pick or something, that got us back an even better big, all the better.

Only way I’d do it is if you are moving White in a package for a player that is going to be Al’s replacement in the next year or two. A player that is significantly better than Grant and is a legitimate(not borderline) starter.

[Moranis]

Odd timing given that brogdon is now having issues with his hamstring.  Not to say it wasn’t a good trade, but this was the downside we all knew about. 

And, you don’t really judge this trade player for player.  Indiana and the celts wanted completely different things from the trade.  And now they have a rookie that looks pretty good, which is part of shooing off veterans.

And this is why it’s necessary to keep both Smart and White. Brogdon never plays a full season. C’s have to be very careful with him throughout the year as he will be important come playoff time.

And PP

I wouldn't go that far.  Having Smart, Brogdon, White, and Pritchard is a luxury, not a necessity.  Trading White or Pritchard for say a top 3 or top 4 on the roster big would not create a problem.  It would just balance our roster some.  I get that it is nice to have Pritchard there for the nights here and there that you expect Brogdon to miss but I think we are more vulnerable to the nights that Horford is expected to miss.  If we are able to reinforce our depth at big without giving up White or Pritchard, great but right now, we have a surplus at combo guard and we are thin elsewhere.

White is a starting caliber player in his prime on a very team friendly contract until 2025. I wouldn’t trade him unless you are getting a starting caliber big back. Brogdon is just too unreliable and Smart takes a beating out there. Wouldn’t be comfortable with Pritchard as a primary backup.

I agree but said another way, I would include White in a trade if it could get us back a big that was say better than Grant, even if not necessarily an established full time starter.  A comparable talent to White, a big who can start but isn't necessarily a great starter.  We would lose some depth at combo guard but if we got comparable added depth at big in return, I feel we come out ahead with a more balanced roster.  And if it was say White and a pick or something, that got us back an even better big, all the better.

Only way I’d do it is if you are moving White in a package for a player that is going to be Al’s replacement in the next year or two. A player that is significantly better than Grant and is a legitimate(not borderline) starter.

The way I look at it, is if everyone is healthy and playing increased playoff minutes the breakdown would be something like this

PG - Smart 36, White 12
SG - Brown 12, Brogdon 30, White 6
SF - Tatum 24, Brown 24
PF - Horford 17, Tatum 16, G. Williams 15
C - R. Williams 30, Horford 18

So Pritchard not in the rotation at all and White is replaceable if you get a PF or C that can play Tatum's PF minutes (and Grant's if they are really good). 

[Vermont Green]

Odd timing given that brogdon is now having issues with his hamstring.  Not to say it wasn’t a good trade, but this was the downside we all knew about. 

And, you don’t really judge this trade player for player.  Indiana and the celts wanted completely different things from the trade.  And now they have a rookie that looks pretty good, which is part of shooing off veterans.

And this is why it’s necessary to keep both Smart and White. Brogdon never plays a full season. C’s have to be very careful with him throughout the year as he will be important come playoff time.

And PP

I wouldn't go that far.  Having Smart, Brogdon, White, and Pritchard is a luxury, not a necessity.  Trading White or Pritchard for say a top 3 or top 4 on the roster big would not create a problem.  It would just balance our roster some.  I get that it is nice to have Pritchard there for the nights here and there that you expect Brogdon to miss but I think we are more vulnerable to the nights that Horford is expected to miss.  If we are able to reinforce our depth at big without giving up White or Pritchard, great but right now, we have a surplus at combo guard and we are thin elsewhere.

White is a starting caliber player in his prime on a very team friendly contract until 2025. I wouldn’t trade him unless you are getting a starting caliber big back. Brogdon is just too unreliable and Smart takes a beating out there. Wouldn’t be comfortable with Pritchard as a primary backup.

I agree but said another way, I would include White in a trade if it could get us back a big that was say better than Grant, even if not necessarily an established full time starter.  A comparable talent to White, a big who can start but isn't necessarily a great starter.  We would lose some depth at combo guard but if we got comparable added depth at big in return, I feel we come out ahead with a more balanced roster.  And if it was say White and a pick or something, that got us back an even better big, all the better.

Only way I’d do it is if you are moving White in a package for a player that is going to be Al’s replacement in the next year or two. A player that is significantly better than Grant and is a legitimate(not borderline) starter.

OK, yeah, I get that.  I would be willing to get back a little less.  A solid 24 minute bench player big, who might start until RWill gets back, but then comes off the bench.   I don't think you are going to get a legitimate starter, Horford replacement for White,  Maybe White plus a pick or a stash or both, but not just White.

It is funny that a trade I had floated in the off season (before he was traded to Utah) was White for Markkanen.  It was in general viewed as not enough for White.  People were pretty down on Markkanen.  Markkanen would fit the Horford replacement criteria I think.  If we could get someone like Markkanen for White or even White and a pick, I would be thrilled.  Just don't see it happening.  I don't think White has that kind of value.

More likely in my mind, the "market value" of White is more along the lines of a Portis or a Myles Turner (not that we could get either).  I think a player like that would be more valuable to the team right now due primarily to roster balance.  I like White, he brings a lot of positives, but we have Smart, Brogdon, and Pritchard too.

We will be far deeper at big when RWill gets back but he is a durability risk and so is Horford.  We need added depth there far more than we need the depth at combo guard.

[Goldstar88]

Odd timing given that brogdon is now having issues with his hamstring.  Not to say it wasn’t a good trade, but this was the downside we all knew about. 

And, you don’t really judge this trade player for player.  Indiana and the celts wanted completely different things from the trade.  And now they have a rookie that looks pretty good, which is part of shooing off veterans.

And this is why it’s necessary to keep both Smart and White. Brogdon never plays a full season. C’s have to be very careful with him throughout the year as he will be important come playoff time.

And PP

I wouldn't go that far.  Having Smart, Brogdon, White, and Pritchard is a luxury, not a necessity.  Trading White or Pritchard for say a top 3 or top 4 on the roster big would not create a problem.  It would just balance our roster some.  I get that it is nice to have Pritchard there for the nights here and there that you expect Brogdon to miss but I think we are more vulnerable to the nights that Horford is expected to miss.  If we are able to reinforce our depth at big without giving up White or Pritchard, great but right now, we have a surplus at combo guard and we are thin elsewhere.

White is a starting caliber player in his prime on a very team friendly contract until 2025. I wouldn’t trade him unless you are getting a starting caliber big back. Brogdon is just too unreliable and Smart takes a beating out there. Wouldn’t be comfortable with Pritchard as a primary backup.

I agree but said another way, I would include White in a trade if it could get us back a big that was say better than Grant, even if not necessarily an established full time starter.  A comparable talent to White, a big who can start but isn't necessarily a great starter.  We would lose some depth at combo guard but if we got comparable added depth at big in return, I feel we come out ahead with a more balanced roster.  And if it was say White and a pick or something, that got us back an even better big, all the better.

Only way I’d do it is if you are moving White in a package for a player that is going to be Al’s replacement in the next year or two. A player that is significantly better than Grant and is a legitimate(not borderline) starter.

The way I look at it, is if everyone is healthy and playing increased playoff minutes the breakdown would be something like this

PG - Smart 36, White 12
SG - Brown 12, Brogdon 30, White 6
SF - Tatum 24, Brown 24
PF - Horford 17, Tatum 16, G. Williams 15
C - R. Williams 30, Horford 18

So Pritchard not in the rotation at all and White is replaceable if you get a PF or C that can play Tatum's PF minutes (and Grant's if they are really good).

Sure, but the, “if everyone is healthy” never happens. It’s a fantasy. Guys are going to miss time and they already are. That’s why it’s important to plan accordingly.

[bogg]

I'd hesitate to move White in a non-major deal (like splitting his salary into a pair of backups). Boston's in a position where their chest of future firsts will be almost entirely available come this off-season. White's salary is the likeliest salary building block towards making a run at a significant trade target.

[wikkid1]

Odd timing given that brogdon is now having issues with his hamstring.  Not to say it wasn’t a good trade, but this was the downside we all knew about. 

And, you don’t really judge this trade player for player.  Indiana and the celts wanted completely different things from the trade.  And now they have a rookie that looks pretty good, which is part of shooing off veterans.

And this is why it’s necessary to keep both Smart and White. Brogdon never plays a full season. C’s have to be very careful with him throughout the year as he will be important come playoff time.

Yes!  We won the trade. Period.  But some time in the future I expect to get Theis back.

And thus will begin another chapter in The War On Theis.

[Goldstar88]

Odd timing given that brogdon is now having issues with his hamstring.  Not to say it wasn’t a good trade, but this was the downside we all knew about. 

And, you don’t really judge this trade player for player.  Indiana and the celts wanted completely different things from the trade.  And now they have a rookie that looks pretty good, which is part of shooing off veterans.

And this is why it’s necessary to keep both Smart and White. Brogdon never plays a full season. C’s have to be very careful with him throughout the year as he will be important come playoff time.

And PP

I wouldn't go that far.  Having Smart, Brogdon, White, and Pritchard is a luxury, not a necessity.  Trading White or Pritchard for say a top 3 or top 4 on the roster big would not create a problem.  It would just balance our roster some.  I get that it is nice to have Pritchard there for the nights here and there that you expect Brogdon to miss but I think we are more vulnerable to the nights that Horford is expected to miss.  If we are able to reinforce our depth at big without giving up White or Pritchard, great but right now, we have a surplus at combo guard and we are thin elsewhere.

White is a starting caliber player in his prime on a very team friendly contract until 2025. I wouldn’t trade him unless you are getting a starting caliber big back. Brogdon is just too unreliable and Smart takes a beating out there. Wouldn’t be comfortable with Pritchard as a primary backup.

I agree but said another way, I would include White in a trade if it could get us back a big that was say better than Grant, even if not necessarily an established full time starter.  A comparable talent to White, a big who can start but isn't necessarily a great starter.  We would lose some depth at combo guard but if we got comparable added depth at big in return, I feel we come out ahead with a more balanced roster.  And if it was say White and a pick or something, that got us back an even better big, all the better.

Only way I’d do it is if you are moving White in a package for a player that is going to be Al’s replacement in the next year or two. A player that is significantly better than Grant and is a legitimate(not borderline) starter.

OK, yeah, I get that.  I would be willing to get back a little less.  A solid 24 minute bench player big, who might start until RWill gets back, but then comes off the bench.   I don't think you are going to get a legitimate starter, Horford replacement for White,  Maybe White plus a pick or a stash or both, but not just White.

It is funny that a trade I had floated in the off season (before he was traded to Utah) was White for Markkanen.  It was in general viewed as not enough for White.  People were pretty down on Markkanen.  Markkanen would fit the Horford replacement criteria I think.  If we could get someone like Markkanen for White or even White and a pick, I would be thrilled.  Just don't see it happening.  I don't think White has that kind of value.

More likely in my mind, the "market value" of White is more along the lines of a Portis or a Myles Turner (not that we could get either).  I think a player like that would be more valuable to the team right now due primarily to roster balance.  I like White, he brings a lot of positives, but we have Smart, Brogdon, and Pritchard too.

We will be far deeper at big when RWill gets back but he is a durability risk and so is Horford.  We need added depth there far more than we need the depth at combo guard.

Yeah, that’s why I said a “package” including White. I thought of MarkkAnen as well, but then I looked at his numbers this year and he’s killing it. Also didn’t realize that he’s only 25. Grant is fine as a backup PF, so I wouldn’t be willing to trade White for a stopgap C.

[No Nickname]

After a great start to the season Brogdon has cooled down a little.

Over the last eight games he's only averaging 9.375ppg.  Over the last four it's 6.25.

We need that 12-18ppg from him consistently to win some of these games we've been losing over the past three weeks.

Williams, Williams, and Hauser can't be relied upon to add that scoring punch when Smart, Horford, and White go cold.

[RodyTur10]

After a great start to the season Brogdon has cooled down a little.

Over the last eight games he's only averaging 9.375ppg.  Over the last four it's 6.25.

We need that 12-18ppg from him consistently to win some of these games we've been losing over the past three weeks.

Williams, Williams, and Hauser can't be relied upon to add that scoring punch when Smart, Horford, and White go cold.

Brogdon needs to embrace that 6th man role with instant offense. Like Lou Williams. A positive note is that he's shooting as efficient as during his Milwaukee days. A bit of a mystery to me is why Brogdon with his frame is a subpar defender.