Brad Stevens the Politician

[nickagneta]

I think my bottom line would have been top-6 protection and no moving up by more than 15 spaces.  That mitigates risk.

And eliminates any reason for San Antonio to want the swap, which probably means no trade.

Oh well.  Then no trade.  Two minimally protected picks and a rotation player is the type of package you give up for an all-star, not the second best player on a lottery team.  If SA couldn’t accept top-six protection, then they could go find another trade partner.

First, you are misrepresenting the picks. It's a pick that will convey regardless of the protections and a minimally protected swap who's chance of being terribly bad for Boston is only slightly more minimalistic than the protection. Maybe less so given, if it looks like it could be bad a year or two ahead of time, it can be traded.

Second, first round picks for players of White's abilities and less, appeared to be the going price this trade season. To cancel that trade over such a minimal risk six years ahead of time that can be easily traded so as not to be any detriment to the team, is foolhardy.

And these concerns are coming from a guy that was telling this blog how little value he placed on Richardson because his game was in such decline.

[wiley]

giving up two players and a first round pick, along with enticement of future swindle by SA (however unlikely), along with Richardson's great year thus far, makes me think Boston deserved a second round pick in this deal.   

I like hunting for the next Jokic, Vanvleet, IT, etc.., but really just thinking of making the deal more fair.

We will see...if the gap between White and J Rich is large, I will stop bemoaning...

[W8ting2McHale]

I agree with the OP.  It’s negligent.

Remember when the Grizzlies traded a top-1 protected pick six years in the future for Otis Thorpe?  It turned into the #2 pick in one of the best drafts in history.

Again, we traded a swap. Not a pick. There's a distinction there.

It’s a star driven league. If we give up a top 5 pick — does it really matter much if we get the 23rd pick back?

It’s also a league where number 2 picks - like Darko - are as likely to bust as non-lottery picks - like Giannis or Joker - become MVPs. Put me down for the not fretting over a pick swap 6 years from now list.

So, since the outcomes are equally likely, you’d trade the #2 pick in any given year for two later picks?  That’s a silly argument.

And this is a strawman argument.

[Neurotic Guy]

giving up two players and a first round pick, along with enticement of future swindle by SA (however unlikely), along with Richardson's great year thus far, makes me think Boston deserved a second round pick in this deal.   

I like hunting for the next Jokic, Vanvleet, IT, etc.., but really just thinking of making the deal more fair.

We will see...if the gap between White and J Rich is large, I will stop bemoaning...

The gap looked pretty substantial to me in game 1, but that definitely remains to be seen.   I'm also comfortable considering Romeo-for-buyout as part of the trade.  I realize there are other buyout slots but asset for asset losing Romeo and gaining a better player will be a plus.  Another factor is contract - 2 more years with White than JR at what seems to be fair $$.  Much better trade asset.

[ScoobyDoo]

Not sweating the 2028 pick swap. We should feel confident that if we’re doing our job right that Tatum and Brown (or someone equivalent to Brown…) will still be here in 2028 when Tatum is 28 and in his prime because we are seriously competing for titles.

To that end if I had to trade another 2-3 unprotected first round picks this off season to bring in a player like John Collins or similar at the four spot I wouldn’t hesitate one second. Because if you add a player like that at the four we are serious title contenders for a fair way into the future.

[Roy H.]

I agree with the OP.  It’s negligent.

Remember when the Grizzlies traded a top-1 protected pick six years in the future for Otis Thorpe?  It turned into the #2 pick in one of the best drafts in history.

Again, we traded a swap. Not a pick. There's a distinction there.

It’s a star driven league. If we give up a top 5 pick — does it really matter much if we get the 23rd pick back?

It’s also a league where number 2 picks - like Darko - are as likely to bust as non-lottery picks - like Giannis or Joker - become MVPs. Put me down for the not fretting over a pick swap 6 years from now list.

So, since the outcomes are equally likely, you’d trade the #2 pick in any given year for two later picks?  That’s a silly argument.

And this is a strawman argument.

Err…. I’m not sure you know what that phrase means.  Or the phrase “as likely to”, either.

[Roy H.]

I realize there are other buyout slots but asset for asset losing Romeo and gaining a better player will be a plus.

If we don’t fill the slot with a better player, how does that factor in?

For instance, I’d rather have Romeo + Hauser on a two-way than Hauser on a minimum deal.

[aingeforthree]

Not sweating the 2028 pick swap. We should feel confident that if we’re doing our job right that Tatum and Brown (or someone equivalent to Brown…) will still be here in 2028 when Tatum is 28 and in his prime because we are seriously competing for titles.

To that end if I had to trade another 2-3 unprotected first round picks this off season to bring in a player like John Collins or similar at the four spot I wouldn’t hesitate one second. Because if you add a player like that at the four we are serious title contenders for a fair way into the future.

We got fleeced, no way around it. You don’t have to sweat it and that’s fine, but Brad overpaid by a large margin.

We should’ve been in on the Haliburton or Sabonis sweepstakes. Those are the difference makers. Whites a good player, but there is not enough disparity between him & what we had. Especially for what we gave up. Richardson was helping and playing great ball. Turned his year around from last year.

[PAOBoston]

Not sweating the 2028 pick swap. We should feel confident that if we’re doing our job right that Tatum and Brown (or someone equivalent to Brown…) will still be here in 2028 when Tatum is 28 and in his prime because we are seriously competing for titles.

To that end if I had to trade another 2-3 unprotected first round picks this off season to bring in a player like John Collins or similar at the four spot I wouldn’t hesitate one second. Because if you add a player like that at the four we are serious title contenders for a fair way into the future.

We got fleeced, no way around it. You don’t have to sweat it and that’s fine, but Brad overpaid by a large margin.

We should’ve been in on the Haliburton or Sabonis sweepstakes. Those are the difference makers. Whites a good player, but there is not enough disparity between him & what we had. Especially for what we gave up. Richardson was helping and playing great ball. Turned his year around from last year.

Who you giving up for Haliburton or Sabonis? JB? Otherwise you weren’t getting those guys.

[Neurotic Guy]

Not sweating the 2028 pick swap. We should feel confident that if we’re doing our job right that Tatum and Brown (or someone equivalent to Brown…) will still be here in 2028 when Tatum is 28 and in his prime because we are seriously competing for titles.

To that end if I had to trade another 2-3 unprotected first round picks this off season to bring in a player like John Collins or similar at the four spot I wouldn’t hesitate one second. Because if you add a player like that at the four we are serious title contenders for a fair way into the future.

We got fleeced, no way around it. You don’t have to sweat it and that’s fine, but Brad overpaid by a large margin.

We should’ve been in on the Haliburton or Sabonis sweepstakes. Those are the difference makers. Whites a good player, but there is not enough disparity between him & what we had. Especially for what we gave up. Richardson was helping and playing great ball. Turned his year around from last year.

Who you giving up for Haliburton or Sabonis? JB? Otherwise you weren’t getting those guys.

I was about to say something similar.  Not getting Sabonis or Haliburton for the package that got White, so the calculation isn't as simple as they could've gone for Sabonis or Hal.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Not sweating the 2028 pick swap. We should feel confident that if we’re doing our job right that Tatum and Brown (or someone equivalent to Brown…) will still be here in 2028 when Tatum is 28 and in his prime because we are seriously competing for titles.

To that end if I had to trade another 2-3 unprotected first round picks this off season to bring in a player like John Collins or similar at the four spot I wouldn’t hesitate one second. Because if you add a player like that at the four we are serious title contenders for a fair way into the future.

We got fleeced, no way around it. You don’t have to sweat it and that’s fine, but Brad overpaid by a large margin.

We should’ve been in on the Haliburton or Sabonis sweepstakes. Those are the difference makers. Whites a good player, but there is not enough disparity between him & what we had. Especially for what we gave up. Richardson was helping and playing great ball. Turned his year around from last year.

Most statistical models have us with a significantly better chance to win the championship this year.

If you read general NBA forums, most fans think we won that trade.

If you read NBA experts, most think we won the trade.

Only in Boston do you have fans that think we "got fleeced."

[footey]

Not sweating the 2028 pick swap. We should feel confident that if we’re doing our job right that Tatum and Brown (or someone equivalent to Brown…) will still be here in 2028 when Tatum is 28 and in his prime because we are seriously competing for titles.

To that end if I had to trade another 2-3 unprotected first round picks this off season to bring in a player like John Collins or similar at the four spot I wouldn’t hesitate one second. Because if you add a player like that at the four we are serious title contenders for a fair way into the future.

We got fleeced, no way around it. You don’t have to sweat it and that’s fine, but Brad overpaid by a large margin.

We should’ve been in on the Haliburton or Sabonis sweepstakes. Those are the difference makers. Whites a good player, but there is not enough disparity between him & what we had. Especially for what we gave up. Richardson was helping and playing great ball. Turned his year around from last year.

Most statistical models have us with a significantly better chance to win the championship this year.

If you read general NBA forums, most fans think we won that trade.

If you read NBA experts, most think we won the trade.

Only in Boston do you have fans that think we "got fleeced."

Welcome to Boston!

[Roy H.]

Not sweating the 2028 pick swap. We should feel confident that if we’re doing our job right that Tatum and Brown (or someone equivalent to Brown…) will still be here in 2028 when Tatum is 28 and in his prime because we are seriously competing for titles.

To that end if I had to trade another 2-3 unprotected first round picks this off season to bring in a player like John Collins or similar at the four spot I wouldn’t hesitate one second. Because if you add a player like that at the four we are serious title contenders for a fair way into the future.

We got fleeced, no way around it. You don’t have to sweat it and that’s fine, but Brad overpaid by a large margin.

We should’ve been in on the Haliburton or Sabonis sweepstakes. Those are the difference makers. Whites a good player, but there is not enough disparity between him & what we had. Especially for what we gave up. Richardson was helping and playing great ball. Turned his year around from last year.

Most statistical models have us with a significantly better chance to win the championship this year.

If you read general NBA forums, most fans think we won that trade.

If you read NBA experts, most think we won the trade.

Only in Boston do you have fans that think we "got fleeced."

Welcome to Boston!

Leaving your own opinion aside, do you find those three particular appeals to authority convincing?  A blog’s statistical model, fan forums, and NBA talking heads?

[aingeforthree]

Not sweating the 2028 pick swap. We should feel confident that if we’re doing our job right that Tatum and Brown (or someone equivalent to Brown…) will still be here in 2028 when Tatum is 28 and in his prime because we are seriously competing for titles.

To that end if I had to trade another 2-3 unprotected first round picks this off season to bring in a player like John Collins or similar at the four spot I wouldn’t hesitate one second. Because if you add a player like that at the four we are serious title contenders for a fair way into the future.

We got fleeced, no way around it. You don’t have to sweat it and that’s fine, but Brad overpaid by a large margin.

We should’ve been in on the Haliburton or Sabonis sweepstakes. Those are the difference makers. Whites a good player, but there is not enough disparity between him & what we had. Especially for what we gave up. Richardson was helping and playing great ball. Turned his year around from last year.

Who you giving up for Haliburton or Sabonis? JB? Otherwise you weren’t getting those guys.

I feel like Sabonis was the big fish to get. I’d give up JB depending on the amount of unprotected first round picks they’d give up along with Sabonis.

Otherwise, Smart, Grant Williams, Romeo or Richardson (their choice) + 2023 unprotected first round pick + the pick swap (given to San Antonio) for Sabonis & Lamb.

Sabonis is the perfect fit to this roster. I definitely would give up JB if the package is right.

[pokeKingCurtis]

I think my bottom line would have been top-6 protection and no moving up by more than 15 spaces.  That mitigates risk.

And eliminates any reason for San Antonio to want the swap, which probably means no trade.

Oh well.  Then no trade.  Two minimally protected picks and a rotation player is the type of package you give up for an all-star, not the second best player on a lottery team.  If SA couldn’t accept top-six protection, then they could go find another trade partner.

First, you are misrepresenting the picks. It's a pick that will convey regardless of the protections and a minimally protected swap who's chance of being terribly bad for Boston is only slightly more minimalistic than the protection. Maybe less so given, if it looks like it could be bad a year or two ahead of time, it can be traded.

Second, first round picks for players of White's abilities and less, appeared to be the going price this trade season. To cancel that trade over such a minimal risk six years ahead of time that can be easily traded so as not to be any detriment to the team, is foolhardy.

And these concerns are coming from a guy that was telling this blog how little value he placed on Richardson because his game was in such decline.

yea right?

I mean some people were pining for Jrue Holiday, that guy went for 3 firsts

Derrick White for essentially one and a half (the half being a swap) firsts sounds reasonable.