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Re: Missed Draft Opportunities since the End of the Big 3
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2022, 05:15:17 PM »

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Here are my big regrets of the Danny era:

1.  Giannis (instead of KO)

2.  Jimmy Butler (over JaJuan Johnson)

3.  DeAndre Jordan / Mario Chalmers (over J.R. Giddens)

4.  Dejounte Murray (instead of Yabusele)

But, realistically, I didn't think any of those guys (outside of Chalmers) would be as good as they turned out.  For instance, I thought Jimmy Butler would be another Thybulle, or maybe a Sefolosha.  I will say, I thought we were misguided in going with two stashes in 2016, while keeping Demetrius Jackson on the roster.  Murray fell like a stone that draft, and I still don't understand it.

Danny has done a much, much better job than me overall, although I definitely wonder about "what could have been".

I wonder if the Celtics would have had the patience/ability to develop Murray under Stevens.  He is in his 5th season and has shown stready incremental gains each year (starting from barely playing his rookie year).
Brown, Tatum, Williams, and Smart have all done just fine developing under Stevens.  Rozier as well before he left.

True, but they were all playing much more significant roles much earlier in their careers.  And were much higher picks (except for Rozier).
Williams was a later pick and probably got less playing time than Murray would have.
Not sure I see the difference. Willams was the 27th pick i think, Murray the 29th.


Re: Missed Draft Opportunities since the End of the Big 3
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2022, 05:21:18 PM »

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I think we regret not trading the 2018 BKN pick/some players for Paul George or Jimmy Butler that one summer and instead pursued Gordon Hayward in free agency (which turned out to be...a bust for his contract with Boston). We didn't even need to unload the #3 pick which became Tatum or give them Brown for one of those two SFs. Kemba Walker was also a bad max contract guy too.

But that Olynyk over Giannis pick will always kill me. That James Young, Zizic, Yabusele, Edwards, Rozier (Scary Terry for one year)...all of those nonsense picks were frustrating. Langford and Nesmith are also gonna fall into this category if they can't stay healthy or if they don't improve their game.

Can't win them all. That's exactly what a game of chance the draft is.

14 teams passed on Giannis. Not 14 people; 14 TEAMS.

That a lot.
Every team past on last year's MVP. I would take him over the freak. The Joker rocks!
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Re: Missed Draft Opportunities since the End of the Big 3
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2022, 05:39:03 PM »

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I think we regret not trading the 2018 BKN pick/some players for Paul George or Jimmy Butler that one summer and instead pursued Gordon Hayward in free agency (which turned out to be...a bust for his contract with Boston). We didn't even need to unload the #3 pick which became Tatum or give them Brown for one of those two SFs. Kemba Walker was also a bad max contract guy too.

But that Olynyk over Giannis pick will always kill me. That James Young, Zizic, Yabusele, Edwards, Rozier (Scary Terry for one year)...all of those nonsense picks were frustrating. Langford and Nesmith are also gonna fall into this category if they can't stay healthy or if they don't improve their game.

Can't win them all. That's exactly what a game of chance the draft is.

14 teams passed on Giannis. Not 14 people; 14 TEAMS.

That a lot.

Believe it was actually 12 teams before the Cs reach their pick (which they traded up to). And if you look at that list of teams, it's 12 of the worst run teams in the NBA.


Re: Missed Draft Opportunities since the End of the Big 3
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2022, 08:55:44 PM »

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Here are my big regrets of the Danny era:

1.  Giannis (instead of KO)

2.  Jimmy Butler (over JaJuan Johnson)

3.  DeAndre Jordan / Mario Chalmers (over J.R. Giddens)

4.  Dejounte Murray (instead of Yabusele)

But, realistically, I didn't think any of those guys (outside of Chalmers) would be as good as they turned out.  For instance, I thought Jimmy Butler would be another Thybulle, or maybe a Sefolosha.  I will say, I thought we were misguided in going with two stashes in 2016, while keeping Demetrius Jackson on the roster.  Murray fell like a stone that draft, and I still don't understand it.

Danny has done a much, much better job than me overall, although I definitely wonder about "what could have been".

I wonder if the Celtics would have had the patience/ability to develop Murray under Stevens.  He is in his 5th season and has shown stready incremental gains each year (starting from barely playing his rookie year).
Brown, Tatum, Williams, and Smart have all done just fine developing under Stevens.  Rozier as well before he left.

True, but they were all playing much more significant roles much earlier in their careers.  And were much higher picks (except for Rozier).
Williams was a later pick and probably got less playing time than Murray would have.
Not sure I see the difference. Willams was the 27th pick i think, Murray the 29th.
But if the C's took Murray he would have ben 23. 
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