Fournier Sign and Trade Ideas

[Moranis]

I do think Utah makes sense for him if they feel they need a guy that is better with the ball in his hand than someone like Ingles.

[seancally]

I dunno isn’t this the guy who just said Team USA is better individually but can be beaten as a team? At least sounds like a guy who understands the value of team ball and playing a role… and a guy who played on a crappy Orlando team for years. I’m sure he wants a good salary for a good team.

[Vermont Green]

Some ideas for discussion (not saying I like any of them, just possibilities):

Myles Turner + Protected First
Marcus Morris
Porzingis for Fournier + Thompson
McCollum for Fournier + RWilliams + Pick
Kuzma + Something
Dejounte Murray
Rubio

Not sure any of these are realistic proving the most likely outcome is he is on the Celtics next season.  Porzingis is an interesting option though.

[Who]

I'm growing increasingly skeptical Fournier wants to return to be third or fourth fiddle on the Celtics.  He probably sees himself as a number two option on a good team, rightfully or wrongfully.  Guy is leader of team France, and is relishing that role.  Maybe he would have a different take if he knew the Celtics were on the cusp, but that is just not the case.   We are projected to be middle of the pack next season.

I just cannot imagine that Fournier sees it this way. He was the 2nd option on a thoroughly mediocre Orlando team and clearly out of his depth for the entire time.

If he wants to win, he has to be a 3rd or more likely 4th or 5th option on offense.

If he only cares about fame or money, then yes I can imagine him chasing a role where he gets more touches & shot attempts.

But he is not fit for a starring role on a good team. He simply does not have the talent. He has shown that time and time again over the course of his career.

I feel like a lot of this concern comes from Fournier playing so little with the Celtics after the trade last year and some fans still coming to terms with how good / how limited Fournier actually is. He simply does not have the talent to survive in that role and he has been around the league long enough to know it.

He is not some youngster that is just figuring out what he is capable of in the league and looking for an opportunity to show his talent. He has had that opportunity. He failed to make the grade. He knows this. He knows that if he wants to win he will have to take a smaller role than the role he had in Orlando.

[Who]

Some ideas for discussion (not saying I like any of them, just possibilities):

Myles Turner + Protected First
Marcus Morris
Porzingis for Fournier + Thompson
McCollum for Fournier + RWilliams + Pick
Kuzma + Something
Dejounte Murray
Rubio

Not sure any of these are realistic proving the most likely outcome is he is on the Celtics next season.  Porzingis is an interesting option though.

Myles Turner = I do not see the value in him with Horford back. They play the same role. Horford would have to be traded elsewhere to make it worthwhile acquiring Myles Turner. I'd rather keep Fournier.

Marcus Morris = selfish gunner. Glad to see the back of him. Do not want him here. He destroys ball movement. He is the opposite of the type of player this team needs.

Porzingis = yeah, gotta take that risk. His injury proneness is scary but he is soooo much more talented than what we are giving up. Gotta risk that.

McCollum = hell yes, that is home run. That would be stealing from Portland to get such a talented player at such a low price. Celtics immediately become a title contender. Reminds me of the Lakers getting Pau Gasol from Memphis at a bargain basement price.

Kuzma = meh. Fournier is better.

Dejounte Murray = definitely. Murray is a young guy with upside and is already better than Fournier. That would be a home run. Another long term piece to put alongside Tatum and Jaylen unlike Fournier who is just a medium term fit.

Rubio = nah. Bad fit here. Lack of shooting.

[nickagneta]

I think Fournier is the perfect 3rd wing alongside Tatum and Brown. He seems pretty comfortable and the team seems to want him. Hopefully no one overthinks this one.

I agree. I was saying before last season that Fournier would be a great get because I think he fits in perfectly. He will spend most of his time as a #2 on the court, a bunch of time as a #3 on the court and some times, he will be the #1 option on the floor. It's a roll he knows and, as a #3 option, he should get tons more open looks than he ever got in Orlando. And his below average defense can be hidden quite a bit, if Brown, Tatum, Horford and Smart are sharing the court with him. Just sign and keep him and if a Beal trade comes along at the deadline, trade Fournier to Washington as part of the deal.

[Birdman]

Does Evan Fournier want to come back to Boston? New York or someone else may offer a lot of money

[Roy H.]

Does Evan Fournier want to come back to Boston? New York or someone else may offer a lot of money

The Knicks are indeed interested:

   
New York will pursue Evan Fournier in free agency and are considering making a push for Spencer Dinwiddie, according to sources. Dinwiddie declined his player option for $12.3 million with Brooklyn Nets to become an unrestricted free agent.
6 hours ago – via Keith Pompey @ The Philadelphia Inquirer

How much are they going to offer, though, particularly for a guy who wouldn't be a great fit for Thibs?  Hard to say.

[gouki88]

I've proposed it before, and I'll propose it again:

Fournier (at least $15.5 million in year one) and a 2nd to the Spurs.
Tristan Thompson, guard/wing prospect of Wizards preference, and 3 1sts to the Wizards.  (Also, a random player the Spurs still have draft rights to that's in his 30s, to make the trade legit by NBA rules.  There are a few such players).
Beal to the Celtics.

If the Celtics get Beal this summer, I think it's this general structure that will make it happen.  This preserves all of the Celtics core, while not requiring the Wizards to take on money beyond Thompson's expiring (which can probably be flipped for a second now or at the deadline).

It could be a team with cap space other than the Spurs who signs Fournier and gets a free second for helping out, but I picked the Spurs because it seemed a good fit for them, and a Western conference team isn't going to drive as hard of a bargain as an Eastern Conference team, as they benefit from keeping Beal away from the Warriors/LA.  Of course, the deal is even easier if the Wizards are interested in Fournier and negotiate a deal with him, but the point is that Fournier can sign with any team at his expected value of $15-20 million and a Beal trade could be constructed from it.

This would be awesome.

Smart - Pritchard
Beal - Langford/Nesmith
Brown - MLE (Otto Porter?)
Tatum - VetMin (Jeff Green?)
Horford - Williams

Would want to beef up the bench with some veterans because I don't want to rely upon guys like Grant for too much besides spot minutes. Not sure if the market value of the guys I mentioned is in line with the contracts I attributed to them, they're just guys I like for our bench

[Celtics4ever]

Can we say we saw the real Fournier given he had Covid here during his tenure?

[footey]

I'm growing increasingly skeptical Fournier wants to return to be third or fourth fiddle on the Celtics.  He probably sees himself as a number two option on a good team, rightfully or wrongfully.  Guy is leader of team France, and is relishing that role.  Maybe he would have a different take if he knew the Celtics were on the cusp, but that is just not the case.   We are projected to be middle of the pack next season.

He is probably going to command $17.5 mm to $20 mm per in a weak FA market, so will have good leverage on that front.

Several teams could be of interest to him. Even a few contending teams, who may not have the cap room. That is where sign and trade comes in.

One team in particular that could be interesting is Utah.  Fournier and Gobert jell on the court together. I could see the Jazz making a play for him.  Rumors are that they are amenable to moving Boggy and/or Ingles. I would love Ingles, but doubt Utah would be willing to give him up.

What other sign and trade deals can you think of that could make sense?

Probably, maybe... sounds like a lot of baseless speculation. There have been zero reports of what you are saying.  I don’t think the C’s traded for him, while giving up assets just to move him at the end of the year.

That’s not the point. Of course the Celtics would like to hang onto him. I just don’t think he wants to be 3rd or 4th fiddle. And he will have options in the market.

[Goldstar88]

I'm growing increasingly skeptical Fournier wants to return to be third or fourth fiddle on the Celtics.  He probably sees himself as a number two option on a good team, rightfully or wrongfully.  Guy is leader of team France, and is relishing that role.  Maybe he would have a different take if he knew the Celtics were on the cusp, but that is just not the case.   We are projected to be middle of the pack next season.

He is probably going to command $17.5 mm to $20 mm per in a weak FA market, so will have good leverage on that front.

Several teams could be of interest to him. Even a few contending teams, who may not have the cap room. That is where sign and trade comes in.

One team in particular that could be interesting is Utah.  Fournier and Gobert jell on the court together. I could see the Jazz making a play for him.  Rumors are that they are amenable to moving Boggy and/or Ingles. I would love Ingles, but doubt Utah would be willing to give him up.

What other sign and trade deals can you think of that could make sense?

Probably, maybe... sounds like a lot of baseless speculation. There have been zero reports of what you are saying.  I don’t think the C’s traded for him, while giving up assets just to move him at the end of the year.

That’s not the point. Of course the Celtics would like to hang onto him. I just don’t think he wants to be 3rd or 4th fiddle. And he will have options in the market.

Based on what? There is nothing out there supporting this claim.

[LilRip]

I'm growing increasingly skeptical Fournier wants to return to be third or fourth fiddle on the Celtics.  He probably sees himself as a number two option on a good team, rightfully or wrongfully.  Guy is leader of team France, and is relishing that role.  Maybe he would have a different take if he knew the Celtics were on the cusp, but that is just not the case.   We are projected to be middle of the pack next season.

He is probably going to command $17.5 mm to $20 mm per in a weak FA market, so will have good leverage on that front.

Several teams could be of interest to him. Even a few contending teams, who may not have the cap room. That is where sign and trade comes in.

One team in particular that could be interesting is Utah.  Fournier and Gobert jell on the court together. I could see the Jazz making a play for him.  Rumors are that they are amenable to moving Boggy and/or Ingles. I would love Ingles, but doubt Utah would be willing to give him up.

What other sign and trade deals can you think of that could make sense?

Probably, maybe... sounds like a lot of baseless speculation. There have been zero reports of what you are saying.  I don’t think the C’s traded for him, while giving up assets just to move him at the end of the year.

That’s not the point. Of course the Celtics would like to hang onto him. I just don’t think he wants to be 3rd or 4th fiddle. And he will have options in the market.

Based on what? There is nothing out there supporting this claim.

I think if there was clear basis, you wouldn’t get more than a couple of second round picks for him. I assume because we’re in the offseason, there’s not much else to talk about. So yeah, we could probably call it baseless speculation or we could call it making conversation. 

[Goldstar88]

I'm growing increasingly skeptical Fournier wants to return to be third or fourth fiddle on the Celtics.  He probably sees himself as a number two option on a good team, rightfully or wrongfully.  Guy is leader of team France, and is relishing that role.  Maybe he would have a different take if he knew the Celtics were on the cusp, but that is just not the case.   We are projected to be middle of the pack next season.

He is probably going to command $17.5 mm to $20 mm per in a weak FA market, so will have good leverage on that front.

Several teams could be of interest to him. Even a few contending teams, who may not have the cap room. That is where sign and trade comes in.

One team in particular that could be interesting is Utah.  Fournier and Gobert jell on the court together. I could see the Jazz making a play for him.  Rumors are that they are amenable to moving Boggy and/or Ingles. I would love Ingles, but doubt Utah would be willing to give him up.

What other sign and trade deals can you think of that could make sense?

Probably, maybe... sounds like a lot of baseless speculation. There have been zero reports of what you are saying.  I don’t think the C’s traded for him, while giving up assets just to move him at the end of the year.

That’s not the point. Of course the Celtics would like to hang onto him. I just don’t think he wants to be 3rd or 4th fiddle. And he will have options in the market.

Based on what? There is nothing out there supporting this claim.

I think if there was clear basis, you wouldn’t get more than a couple of second round picks for him. I assume because we’re in the offseason, there’s not much else to talk about. So yeah, we could probably call it baseless speculation or we could call it making conversation.

It’s fine to talk about trading him, but to say specifically that it doesn’t seem like he would want to stick around and be a 3rd wheel, when he hasn’t made any comments or sent even a cryptic tweet hinting at that is an odd thing to say. If tomorrow, he went and changed his twitter profile picture from what it is (below)right now to something new, I would find that to be a basis for speculation.

[LilRip]

I'm growing increasingly skeptical Fournier wants to return to be third or fourth fiddle on the Celtics.  He probably sees himself as a number two option on a good team, rightfully or wrongfully.  Guy is leader of team France, and is relishing that role.  Maybe he would have a different take if he knew the Celtics were on the cusp, but that is just not the case.   We are projected to be middle of the pack next season.

He is probably going to command $17.5 mm to $20 mm per in a weak FA market, so will have good leverage on that front.

Several teams could be of interest to him. Even a few contending teams, who may not have the cap room. That is where sign and trade comes in.

One team in particular that could be interesting is Utah.  Fournier and Gobert jell on the court together. I could see the Jazz making a play for him.  Rumors are that they are amenable to moving Boggy and/or Ingles. I would love Ingles, but doubt Utah would be willing to give him up.

What other sign and trade deals can you think of that could make sense?

Probably, maybe... sounds like a lot of baseless speculation. There have been zero reports of what you are saying.  I don’t think the C’s traded for him, while giving up assets just to move him at the end of the year.

That’s not the point. Of course the Celtics would like to hang onto him. I just don’t think he wants to be 3rd or 4th fiddle. And he will have options in the market.

Based on what? There is nothing out there supporting this claim.

I think if there was clear basis, you wouldn’t get more than a couple of second round picks for him. I assume because we’re in the offseason, there’s not much else to talk about. So yeah, we could probably call it baseless speculation or we could call it making conversation.

It’s fine to talk about trading him, but to say specifically that it doesn’t seem like he would want to stick around and be a 3rd wheel, when he hasn’t made any comments or sent even a cryptic tweet hinting at that is an odd thing to say. If tomorrow, he went and changed his twitter profile picture from what it is (below)right now to something new, I would find that to be a basis for speculation.

The guy is using Fournier’s 1-game performance in the Olympics as a springboard for his thoughts. He says he’s the leader of the French team and he thinks that it will make him not want to go back to the C’s. Therefor, the basis for this thread are: 1) france’s win over US, 2) Fournier’s performance in that game, and 3) Fournier’s leader-like post game comments of, “they can be beaten as a team”.

While I generally agree with your sentiment that it’s probably a reach, I just find it strange that you’re getting bent out of shape looking for proof. For example, there was another thread saying “Keep Fournier! Don’t go for Lillard!”  Why? Because from that same game, Lillard was perceived to not be a leader or team player because of 1) his poor in-game performance, 2) his post game interview that rubbed some posters the wrong way.