Jaylen brown rant

[Big333223]

10-18 from 3 in a win over Orlando.

Followed by 27 points on 24 shots in an overtime loss to a top ten defense with Tatum and Kemba out (in other words: in a game where he is the primary focus for the other team's defense).

[PhoSita]

10-18 from 3 in a win over Orlando.

Followed by 27 points on 24 shots in an overtime loss to a top ten defense with Tatum and Kemba out (in other words: in a game where he is the primary focus for the other team's defense).

Yeah.  I believe in Jaylen's ability to continue improving.  He's improved every year of his career.

The stage he's at right now is "great secondary scorer / lousy primary scorer."  But that's a big jump from where he was just a season or two ago.

[spikelovetheCelts]

I think Jaylen needs to be to one to go. I know it may not be popular but he is a selfish player, IMO.
Jason is the only cornerstone, IMO.

[Big333223]

10-18 from 3 in a win over Orlando.

Followed by 27 points on 24 shots in an overtime loss to a top ten defense with Tatum and Kemba out (in other words: in a game where he is the primary focus for the other team's defense).

Yeah.  I believe in Jaylen's ability to continue improving.  He's improved every year of his career.

The stage he's at right now is "great secondary scorer / lousy primary scorer."  But that's a big jump from where he was just a season or two ago.

And I think that's great. If his destiny is to average 24-5-4 on .551 eFG%, that's great. If he does that for the next 8 years while improving all the little things in his game, I'll be very happy.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

I think Jaylen needs to be to one to go. I know it may not be popular but he is a selfish player, IMO.
Jason is the only cornerstone, IMO.

Congrats on being absolutely wrong. Tell us what you see with your eyes that he’s a selfish player? If you send Jaylen to Golden State they are immediately contenders again. That’s how good of a #2 Jaylen is.

Now please tell me which team in the NBA with Tatum as their #1 is a contender. There isn’t one but I’ll wait anyway.

[gift]

I think Jaylen needs to be to one to go. I know it may not be popular but he is a selfish player, IMO.
Jason is the only cornerstone, IMO.

Yeah he needs to defer to Kemba who is older, shoots worse, holds the ball longer and dribbles more. Where are you seeing selfishness with Jaylen that you're not seeing in greater amounts in Kemba, Tatum and even at times Smart?

[Somebody]

10-18 from 3 in a win over Orlando.

Followed by 27 points on 24 shots in an overtime loss to a top ten defense with Tatum and Kemba out (in other words: in a game where he is the primary focus for the other team's defense).

Yeah.  I believe in Jaylen's ability to continue improving.  He's improved every year of his career.

The stage he's at right now is "great secondary scorer / lousy primary scorer."  But that's a big jump from where he was just a season or two ago.

So is Tatum a lousy primary scorer as well? He's shooting below league average TS% as a primary scorer. Jaylen has averaged 61.2% TS in his 5 games playing without Tatum this season (translates to roughly +4% rTS, obviously it's a minuscule sample size but there's really not much evidence to say that Jaylen's lousy as a primary scorer after his jump this season). I think both are okay to meh primary scorers, but Jaylen is a way better secondary guy.

[spikelovetheCelts]

I think Jaylen needs to be to one to go. I know it may not be popular but he is a selfish player, IMO.
Jason is the only cornerstone, IMO.

Yeah he needs to defer to Kemba who is older, shoots worse, holds the ball longer and dribbles more. Where are you seeing selfishness with Jaylen that you're not seeing in greater amounts in Kemba, Tatum and even at times Smart?

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I will  take Kemba with the last shot any day over Jaylen.

[PaxtonDarcy]

First, anyone that wouldn’t trade Brown for someone like Beal is smoking.  And yes, I know that’s the majority of fans.  But what do people actually think he is? 

Dude is 24 and has entered his peak.  There are no more significant leaps to be had.  What we saw early this year is a product of increased opportunity, not significant improvement.

Offensively Jaylen is the textbook definition of an empty numbers guy.  Or better yet, what you see is what you get.  He doesn’t have any gravity.  He isn’t running an offense or making guys better.  If his shot isn’t falling, he’s got nothing on offense.

Of course, fans yelling at him to drive to the basket when his shot isn’t falling fail to recognize that he can’t.  He can’t because his handle still isn’t there and he lacks diversity to his drives and other teams collapse on him because he can’t make them pay with the pass.  And no, the great players have options when their shot isn’t falling. 

In terms of defense, Jaylen isn’t a great defender, he a versatile one.  Now these guys are valuable for team defense because the other team will attack the weak link.  If you can minimize the weak links, you can have a good defense and brown is valuable in that sense. 

I’ve always considered jaylens ceiling as a number 3 on a championship contender.  Our problem is that we don’t have a number 2.  Kemba getting his game back our only shot at making any real noise in the post season.  And by noise I mean getting out of the first round.

I’m fully aware that I will be called reactionary.  But a 24 year old supposed superstar should not be having so many games like this.  But if you disagree, fine.  Tell me where I’m wrong.  Don’t give me a nothing response that only shows that you don’t have one.

Booooooooooooooooooo

[gouki88]

I think Jaylen needs to be to one to go. I know it may not be popular but he is a selfish player, IMO.
Jason is the only cornerstone, IMO.

Yeah he needs to defer to Kemba who is older, shoots worse, holds the ball longer and dribbles more. Where are you seeing selfishness with Jaylen that you're not seeing in greater amounts in Kemba, Tatum and even at times Smart?

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I will  take Kemba with the last shot any day over Jaylen.

So will the opposing team

[PhoSita]

10-18 from 3 in a win over Orlando.

Followed by 27 points on 24 shots in an overtime loss to a top ten defense with Tatum and Kemba out (in other words: in a game where he is the primary focus for the other team's defense).

Yeah.  I believe in Jaylen's ability to continue improving.  He's improved every year of his career.

The stage he's at right now is "great secondary scorer / lousy primary scorer."  But that's a big jump from where he was just a season or two ago.

So is Tatum a lousy primary scorer as well? He's shooting below league average TS% as a primary scorer. Jaylen has averaged 61.2% TS in his 5 games playing without Tatum this season (translates to roughly +4% rTS, obviously it's a minuscule sample size but there's really not much evidence to say that Jaylen's lousy as a primary scorer after his jump this season). I think both are okay to meh primary scorers, but Jaylen is a way better secondary guy.

COVID is a biiiiig factor in Tatum's season


Tatum had 56% TS during the playoff run last summer.

55% TS in December, 60% in January, then a big dip to 51.6% in February, then back to 59.6% in March.


Per NBAWowy, from December through end of January, Tatum had 63.2% TS in minutes without Jaylen on the floor, then has fallen to around 50% since then.

[gouki88]

10-18 from 3 in a win over Orlando.

Followed by 27 points on 24 shots in an overtime loss to a top ten defense with Tatum and Kemba out (in other words: in a game where he is the primary focus for the other team's defense).

Yeah.  I believe in Jaylen's ability to continue improving.  He's improved every year of his career.

The stage he's at right now is "great secondary scorer / lousy primary scorer."  But that's a big jump from where he was just a season or two ago.

So is Tatum a lousy primary scorer as well? He's shooting below league average TS% as a primary scorer. Jaylen has averaged 61.2% TS in his 5 games playing without Tatum this season (translates to roughly +4% rTS, obviously it's a minuscule sample size but there's really not much evidence to say that Jaylen's lousy as a primary scorer after his jump this season). I think both are okay to meh primary scorers, but Jaylen is a way better secondary guy.

COVID is a biiiiig factor in Tatum's season

His pre and post COVID splits are pretty startling. Really makes you wonder about long-term affects for regular people who aren't a) millionaires and b) subject to constant medical treatment by top level guys

[Somebody]

10-18 from 3 in a win over Orlando.

Followed by 27 points on 24 shots in an overtime loss to a top ten defense with Tatum and Kemba out (in other words: in a game where he is the primary focus for the other team's defense).

Yeah.  I believe in Jaylen's ability to continue improving.  He's improved every year of his career.

The stage he's at right now is "great secondary scorer / lousy primary scorer."  But that's a big jump from where he was just a season or two ago.

So is Tatum a lousy primary scorer as well? He's shooting below league average TS% as a primary scorer. Jaylen has averaged 61.2% TS in his 5 games playing without Tatum this season (translates to roughly +4% rTS, obviously it's a minuscule sample size but there's really not much evidence to say that Jaylen's lousy as a primary scorer after his jump this season). I think both are okay to meh primary scorers, but Jaylen is a way better secondary guy.

COVID is a biiiiig factor in Tatum's season


Tatum had 56% TS during the playoff run last summer.

55% TS in December, 60% in January, then a big dip to 51.6% in February, then back to 59.6% in March.


Per NBAWowy, from December through end of January, Tatum had 63.2% TS in minutes without Jaylen on the floor, then has fallen to around 50% since then.

56% is obviously around league average, but Jaylen has averaged over 58% TS in the past 1.5 seasons (58.6% last playoffs). Throw in Jaylen's all-round improvement as a scorer this season (not just quantitatively, but also qualitatively) and I don't really see the argument for him being a lousy primary scorer unless you think that pre-Covid Tatum is one as well.

Obviously there are some game dynamics where Tatum is better than Jaylen as a scorer (eg. against set defences where he has to take his man 1 on 1 in a stationary starting position where you need to manufacture separation or an opening with your skills rather than your physical gifts), but you don't have to grind out possessions against elite playoff defences that way: the Heat beat us last year by having their star players move off the ball to give them an extra step on their man for an easier '1 on 1' possession.