Could Oladipo be ultra-cheap?

[DefenseWinsChamps]

It’s no secret he is available, but I don’t think he will be ultra cheap. I do think he could be had for a decent prospect, role player, and a first.

But I’m also unsure how much he’d help this team with water being back and healthy. I love dipo and would love to have him as a Celtic.

[Jvalin]

It has to be the fact he has made it well known throughout the league he wants to play in Miami next year and Miami has the space to add him.

For Boston, it's got to be a question of why waste the TPE on someone that is almost certain to play elsewhere next year.

You can trade Kemba in off-season to a team with cap space and get another, even bigger trade exception, especially if you are able to sign Victor to a contract. Oladipo and Smart in backcourt would be pretty cool, especially if Victor can regain his form.

If Kemba gets moved, it has to be for a better player. There's no way they salary dump him.

There's no reason to salary dump Kemba to afford Dipo. If you have Oladipo's Bird rights, you just pay him as much as you want.

The team staying under the tax this season means going over the next few years and, if that's so, I could not care less how much it costs Wyc.

Four near max guys? Who cares! Pay the tax! Get that title!

Multiple sources have reported that Danny was shopping Kemba last season. Here's a report from the Athletic.

''League sources said Danny Ainge was trying to move Kemba Walker for a top 10 pick prior to the deadline. He dangled Kemba in front of Chicago and Cleveland, but neither team bit on the offer.''

https://theathletic.com/2204140/2020/11/19/the-nba-draft-is-over-but-the-offseasons-chaos-isnt-nba-power-rankings/

Yeah, last summer.

When Kemba was hurt and the entire team salary was up in the air due to the impending Hayward dealings.

No reason now to deal him. Repeater luxury tax situation averted.

Not if we use the TPE for Oladipo. Forget the repeater tax though. The luxury tax would explode through the roof in 2021/22 regardless of the repeater tax.

If Danny was ready to dump Kemba last season, I bet he'd dump him this season as well (for the right deal of course).

We could send Theis and Edwards out to stay under the tax. The tax can easily be averted and still manage to get Dipo, who, BTW, I would love here in Boston as a fourth star if he was willing to sign long term.

And as I said, I say keep all four guys the cost be danged. Wyc has made gigantic gobs of money as his franchise value has been raised by almost $3 billion since his purchase. Pay the money Wyc.

This is fantasy land.

According to projections, the cap will be $112,414,200 next season.

Let's assume that
- We trade Theis and Edwards to the Rockets.
- Our 2021 pick ends up at #26, just like last season.
- We let Semi and Teague walk during the offseason.
- We fill out the rest of our roster with rookie minimum contracts.

Payroll in 2021/22
1. Kemba $36,016,200
2. Dipo $33,724,260 (8-year vet --> 30% of the cap)
3. Tatum $28,103,550
4. Brown $25,633,929
5. Smart $14,339,285
6. Thompson $9,720,900
7. Romeo $3,804,360
8. Timelord $3,661,976
9. Nesmith $3,631,200
10. Grant $2,617,800
11. Pritchard $2,137,440
12. Celtics 2021 pick $2,096,880
13. rookie minimum $925,258
14. rookie minimum $925,258
15. rookie minimum $925,258
Yabu $1,039,080
Jackson $92,857

total: $169,395,491

projected tax line: $136,605,810

The C's would be $32,789,681 over the tax line!

For a non-repeater, the tax breaks down like this:

150% for amounts up to $5 million over the threshold
175% from $5-10 million.
250% from $10-15 million.
325% from $15-20 million.
375% from $20-25 million.
425% from $25-30 million.
475% from $30-35 million.
and so on

$7,500,000 + $8,750,000 + $12,500,000 + $16,250,000 + $18,750,000 + $21,250,000 + $13,250,984.75 $ = $98,250,984.75 in luxury tax!

Fwiw, the biggest amount ever paid in luxury tax is $90.57M by the Nets in 2013/14. The biggest ammount paid during the last 5 years was $61.6M by the Thunder in 2018/19. Just 4 teams paid the tax last season. In total, those four teams paid about $5 million in luxury tax, an average of about $1.25 million per team.

tl;dr
In this scenario, the Celtics would have to pay an NBA record ~$98 million in luxury tax!

[nickagneta]

It has to be the fact he has made it well known throughout the league he wants to play in Miami next year and Miami has the space to add him.

For Boston, it's got to be a question of why waste the TPE on someone that is almost certain to play elsewhere next year.

I wonder how true this is.  I know that there was a report last year that he mentioned it to other players.  I can't remember who reported that.  However, the only time I've seen it "reported" this year was by Kevin O'Connor, which means it's almost assuredly nonsense.

Windhorst reported something about it not being any secret that Dipo wants Miami.

When has Windy ever been right about anything?  He made a career out of being a wart on Lebron's rear, but I can't remember any real news he's reported before anybody else.  If anything, this is a "rumor" floated by the Heat to drive his value down.

Again, read the original report.  It's silly the way that this has been twisted.

Unless, of course, it really isn't a secret and the reason for lack of interest in Dipo is because of that.

Indy knew he wasn't returning so traded him for an injury prone Lavert and even closed the deal after Lavert failed his medical checkup. Indy most likely knows where he wants to be.

Houston knows he isn't going to be in Houston long term and wants to move him. They probably know where he wants to go.

Word gets around about these things and becomes common knowledge behind the scenes. Everyone knew Durant was destined for NYC. At this point two years ago it was pretty common knowledge Kyrie was off to NYC. And Dipo hasn't refuted it one bit.

Sometimes even the worst of reporters gets things right.

[nickagneta]

It has to be the fact he has made it well known throughout the league he wants to play in Miami next year and Miami has the space to add him.

For Boston, it's got to be a question of why waste the TPE on someone that is almost certain to play elsewhere next year.

You can trade Kemba in off-season to a team with cap space and get another, even bigger trade exception, especially if you are able to sign Victor to a contract. Oladipo and Smart in backcourt would be pretty cool, especially if Victor can regain his form.

If Kemba gets moved, it has to be for a better player. There's no way they salary dump him.

There's no reason to salary dump Kemba to afford Dipo. If you have Oladipo's Bird rights, you just pay him as much as you want.

The team staying under the tax this season means going over the next few years and, if that's so, I could not care less how much it costs Wyc.

Four near max guys? Who cares! Pay the tax! Get that title!

Multiple sources have reported that Danny was shopping Kemba last season. Here's a report from the Athletic.

''League sources said Danny Ainge was trying to move Kemba Walker for a top 10 pick prior to the deadline. He dangled Kemba in front of Chicago and Cleveland, but neither team bit on the offer.''

https://theathletic.com/2204140/2020/11/19/the-nba-draft-is-over-but-the-offseasons-chaos-isnt-nba-power-rankings/

Yeah, last summer.

When Kemba was hurt and the entire team salary was up in the air due to the impending Hayward dealings.

No reason now to deal him. Repeater luxury tax situation averted.

Not if we use the TPE for Oladipo. Forget the repeater tax though. The luxury tax would explode through the roof in 2021/22 regardless of the repeater tax.

If Danny was ready to dump Kemba last season, I bet he'd dump him this season as well (for the right deal of course).

We could send Theis and Edwards out to stay under the tax. The tax can easily be averted and still manage to get Dipo, who, BTW, I would love here in Boston as a fourth star if he was willing to sign long term.

And as I said, I say keep all four guys the cost be danged. Wyc has made gigantic gobs of money as his franchise value has been raised by almost $3 billion since his purchase. Pay the money Wyc.

This is fantasy land.

According to projections, the cap will be $112,414,200 next season.

Let's assume that
- We trade Theis and Edwards to the Rockets.
- Our 2021 pick ends up at #26, just like last season.
- We let Semi and Teague walk during the offseason.
- We fill out the rest of our roster with rookie minimum contracts.

Payroll in 2021/22
1. Kemba $36,016,200
2. Dipo $33,724,260 (8-year vet --> 30% of the cap)
3. Tatum $28,103,550
4. Brown $25,633,929
5. Smart $14,339,285
6. Thompson $9,720,900
7. Romeo $3,804,360
8. Timelord $3,661,976
9. Nesmith $3,631,200
10. Grant $2,617,800
11. Pritchard $2,137,440
12. Celtics 2021 pick $2,096,880
13. rookie minimum $925,258
14. rookie minimum $925,258
15. rookie minimum $925,258
Yabu $1,039,080
Jackson $92,857

total: $169,395,491

projected tax line: $136,605,810

The C's would be $32,789,681 over the tax line!

For a non-repeater, the tax breaks down like this:

150% for amounts up to $5 million over the threshold
175% from $5-10 million.
250% from $10-15 million.
325% from $15-20 million.
375% from $20-25 million.
425% from $25-30 million.
475% from $30-35 million.
and so on

$7,500,000 + $8,750,000 + $12,500,000 + $16,250,000 + $18,750,000 + $21,250,000 + $13,250,984.75 $ = $98,250,984.75 in luxury tax!

Fwiw, the biggest amount ever paid in luxury tax is $90.57M by the Nets in 2013/14. The biggest ammount paid during the last 5 years was $61.6M by the Thunder in 2018/19. Just 4 teams paid the tax last season. In total, those four teams paid about $5 million in luxury tax, an average of about $1.25 million per team.

tl;dr
In this scenario, the Celtics would have to pay an NBA record ~$98 million in luxury tax!

And?

Who cares? Pay the tax.

Also, you can always dump salary at the deadline to reduce that number. If the four guys aren't getting you awesome results, you can make a decision then.

[Jvalin]

It has to be the fact he has made it well known throughout the league he wants to play in Miami next year and Miami has the space to add him.

For Boston, it's got to be a question of why waste the TPE on someone that is almost certain to play elsewhere next year.

You can trade Kemba in off-season to a team with cap space and get another, even bigger trade exception, especially if you are able to sign Victor to a contract. Oladipo and Smart in backcourt would be pretty cool, especially if Victor can regain his form.

If Kemba gets moved, it has to be for a better player. There's no way they salary dump him.

There's no reason to salary dump Kemba to afford Dipo. If you have Oladipo's Bird rights, you just pay him as much as you want.

The team staying under the tax this season means going over the next few years and, if that's so, I could not care less how much it costs Wyc.

Four near max guys? Who cares! Pay the tax! Get that title!

Multiple sources have reported that Danny was shopping Kemba last season. Here's a report from the Athletic.

''League sources said Danny Ainge was trying to move Kemba Walker for a top 10 pick prior to the deadline. He dangled Kemba in front of Chicago and Cleveland, but neither team bit on the offer.''

https://theathletic.com/2204140/2020/11/19/the-nba-draft-is-over-but-the-offseasons-chaos-isnt-nba-power-rankings/

Yeah, last summer.

When Kemba was hurt and the entire team salary was up in the air due to the impending Hayward dealings.

No reason now to deal him. Repeater luxury tax situation averted.

Not if we use the TPE for Oladipo. Forget the repeater tax though. The luxury tax would explode through the roof in 2021/22 regardless of the repeater tax.

If Danny was ready to dump Kemba last season, I bet he'd dump him this season as well (for the right deal of course).

We could send Theis and Edwards out to stay under the tax. The tax can easily be averted and still manage to get Dipo, who, BTW, I would love here in Boston as a fourth star if he was willing to sign long term.

And as I said, I say keep all four guys the cost be danged. Wyc has made gigantic gobs of money as his franchise value has been raised by almost $3 billion since his purchase. Pay the money Wyc.

This is fantasy land.

According to projections, the cap will be $112,414,200 next season.

Let's assume that
- We trade Theis and Edwards to the Rockets.
- Our 2021 pick ends up at #26, just like last season.
- We let Semi and Teague walk during the offseason.
- We fill out the rest of our roster with rookie minimum contracts.

Payroll in 2021/22
1. Kemba $36,016,200
2. Dipo $33,724,260 (8-year vet --> 30% of the cap)
3. Tatum $28,103,550
4. Brown $25,633,929
5. Smart $14,339,285
6. Thompson $9,720,900
7. Romeo $3,804,360
8. Timelord $3,661,976
9. Nesmith $3,631,200
10. Grant $2,617,800
11. Pritchard $2,137,440
12. Celtics 2021 pick $2,096,880
13. rookie minimum $925,258
14. rookie minimum $925,258
15. rookie minimum $925,258
Yabu $1,039,080
Jackson $92,857

total: $169,395,491

projected tax line: $136,605,810

The C's would be $32,789,681 over the tax line!

For a non-repeater, the tax breaks down like this:

150% for amounts up to $5 million over the threshold
175% from $5-10 million.
250% from $10-15 million.
325% from $15-20 million.
375% from $20-25 million.
425% from $25-30 million.
475% from $30-35 million.
and so on

$7,500,000 + $8,750,000 + $12,500,000 + $16,250,000 + $18,750,000 + $21,250,000 + $13,250,984.75 $ = $98,250,984.75 in luxury tax!

Fwiw, the biggest amount ever paid in luxury tax is $90.57M by the Nets in 2013/14. The biggest ammount paid during the last 5 years was $61.6M by the Thunder in 2018/19. Just 4 teams paid the tax last season. In total, those four teams paid about $5 million in luxury tax, an average of about $1.25 million per team.

tl;dr
In this scenario, the Celtics would have to pay an NBA record ~$98 million in luxury tax!

And?

Who cares? Pay the tax.

Also, you can always dump salary at the deadline to reduce that number. If the four guys aren't getting you awesome results, you can make a decision then.

It won't happen, especially in the midst of a recession due to the pandemic. Again, just 4 teams paid the tax last season. In total, those four teams paid about $5 million in luxury tax, an average of about $1.25 million per team.

Chances are that most teams (if not all of them) are losing money this season. Feel free to believe that Wyc will suddenly pay crazy money in luxury tax.

[SHAQATTACK]

I swap Kemba for him and throw in Edwards and Grant W.

[Roy H.]

It has to be the fact he has made it well known throughout the league he wants to play in Miami next year and Miami has the space to add him.

For Boston, it's got to be a question of why waste the TPE on someone that is almost certain to play elsewhere next year.

You can trade Kemba in off-season to a team with cap space and get another, even bigger trade exception, especially if you are able to sign Victor to a contract. Oladipo and Smart in backcourt would be pretty cool, especially if Victor can regain his form.

If Kemba gets moved, it has to be for a better player. There's no way they salary dump him.

There's no reason to salary dump Kemba to afford Dipo. If you have Oladipo's Bird rights, you just pay him as much as you want.

The team staying under the tax this season means going over the next few years and, if that's so, I could not care less how much it costs Wyc.

Four near max guys? Who cares! Pay the tax! Get that title!

Multiple sources have reported that Danny was shopping Kemba last season. Here's a report from the Athletic.

''League sources said Danny Ainge was trying to move Kemba Walker for a top 10 pick prior to the deadline. He dangled Kemba in front of Chicago and Cleveland, but neither team bit on the offer.''

https://theathletic.com/2204140/2020/11/19/the-nba-draft-is-over-but-the-offseasons-chaos-isnt-nba-power-rankings/

Yeah, last summer.

When Kemba was hurt and the entire team salary was up in the air due to the impending Hayward dealings.

No reason now to deal him. Repeater luxury tax situation averted.

Not if we use the TPE for Oladipo. Forget the repeater tax though. The luxury tax would explode through the roof in 2021/22 regardless of the repeater tax.

If Danny was ready to dump Kemba last season, I bet he'd dump him this season as well (for the right deal of course).

We could send Theis and Edwards out to stay under the tax. The tax can easily be averted and still manage to get Dipo, who, BTW, I would love here in Boston as a fourth star if he was willing to sign long term.

And as I said, I say keep all four guys the cost be danged. Wyc has made gigantic gobs of money as his franchise value has been raised by almost $3 billion since his purchase. Pay the money Wyc.

This is fantasy land.

According to projections, the cap will be $112,414,200 next season.

Let's assume that
- We trade Theis and Edwards to the Rockets.
- Our 2021 pick ends up at #26, just like last season.
- We let Semi and Teague walk during the offseason.
- We fill out the rest of our roster with rookie minimum contracts.

Payroll in 2021/22
1. Kemba $36,016,200
2. Dipo $33,724,260 (8-year vet --> 30% of the cap)
3. Tatum $28,103,550
4. Brown $25,633,929
5. Smart $14,339,285
6. Thompson $9,720,900
7. Romeo $3,804,360
8. Timelord $3,661,976
9. Nesmith $3,631,200
10. Grant $2,617,800
11. Pritchard $2,137,440
12. Celtics 2021 pick $2,096,880
13. rookie minimum $925,258
14. rookie minimum $925,258
15. rookie minimum $925,258
Yabu $1,039,080
Jackson $92,857

total: $169,395,491

projected tax line: $136,605,810

The C's would be $32,789,681 over the tax line!

For a non-repeater, the tax breaks down like this:

150% for amounts up to $5 million over the threshold
175% from $5-10 million.
250% from $10-15 million.
325% from $15-20 million.
375% from $20-25 million.
425% from $25-30 million.
475% from $30-35 million.
and so on

$7,500,000 + $8,750,000 + $12,500,000 + $16,250,000 + $18,750,000 + $21,250,000 + $13,250,984.75 $ = $98,250,984.75 in luxury tax!

Fwiw, the biggest amount ever paid in luxury tax is $90.57M by the Nets in 2013/14. The biggest ammount paid during the last 5 years was $61.6M by the Thunder in 2018/19. Just 4 teams paid the tax last season. In total, those four teams paid about $5 million in luxury tax, an average of about $1.25 million per team.

tl;dr
In this scenario, the Celtics would have to pay an NBA record ~$98 million in luxury tax!

Is it a record if Golden State and Brooklyn are well above that threshold this season? And Golden State, of course, is in the repeater tax.

And I just don’t see Oladipo getting a salary around $33 million in his first year.  The teams projected  for that amount right now are the Knicks, Spurs, Thunder and Mavs.  Miami is projected to have around $26 million.  If you take $8 million off our cap, that tax decreases rapidly.

[todd_days_41]

As stated before, I’m dealing jack for a guy who is going to leave us to sign in Miami this summer. Weakens us while it strengthens them.

I’d imagine Ainge feels the same.

[Roy H.]

As stated before, I’m dealing jack for a guy who is going to leave us to sign in Miami this summer. Weakens us while it strengthens them.

I’d imagine Ainge feels the same.

And if he doesn’t sign in Miami?

[Jvalin]

It has to be the fact he has made it well known throughout the league he wants to play in Miami next year and Miami has the space to add him.

For Boston, it's got to be a question of why waste the TPE on someone that is almost certain to play elsewhere next year.

You can trade Kemba in off-season to a team with cap space and get another, even bigger trade exception, especially if you are able to sign Victor to a contract. Oladipo and Smart in backcourt would be pretty cool, especially if Victor can regain his form.

If Kemba gets moved, it has to be for a better player. There's no way they salary dump him.

There's no reason to salary dump Kemba to afford Dipo. If you have Oladipo's Bird rights, you just pay him as much as you want.

The team staying under the tax this season means going over the next few years and, if that's so, I could not care less how much it costs Wyc.

Four near max guys? Who cares! Pay the tax! Get that title!

Multiple sources have reported that Danny was shopping Kemba last season. Here's a report from the Athletic.

''League sources said Danny Ainge was trying to move Kemba Walker for a top 10 pick prior to the deadline. He dangled Kemba in front of Chicago and Cleveland, but neither team bit on the offer.''

https://theathletic.com/2204140/2020/11/19/the-nba-draft-is-over-but-the-offseasons-chaos-isnt-nba-power-rankings/

Yeah, last summer.

When Kemba was hurt and the entire team salary was up in the air due to the impending Hayward dealings.

No reason now to deal him. Repeater luxury tax situation averted.

Not if we use the TPE for Oladipo. Forget the repeater tax though. The luxury tax would explode through the roof in 2021/22 regardless of the repeater tax.

If Danny was ready to dump Kemba last season, I bet he'd dump him this season as well (for the right deal of course).

We could send Theis and Edwards out to stay under the tax. The tax can easily be averted and still manage to get Dipo, who, BTW, I would love here in Boston as a fourth star if he was willing to sign long term.

And as I said, I say keep all four guys the cost be danged. Wyc has made gigantic gobs of money as his franchise value has been raised by almost $3 billion since his purchase. Pay the money Wyc.

This is fantasy land.

According to projections, the cap will be $112,414,200 next season.

Let's assume that
- We trade Theis and Edwards to the Rockets.
- Our 2021 pick ends up at #26, just like last season.
- We let Semi and Teague walk during the offseason.
- We fill out the rest of our roster with rookie minimum contracts.

Payroll in 2021/22
1. Kemba $36,016,200
2. Dipo $33,724,260 (8-year vet --> 30% of the cap)
3. Tatum $28,103,550
4. Brown $25,633,929
5. Smart $14,339,285
6. Thompson $9,720,900
7. Romeo $3,804,360
8. Timelord $3,661,976
9. Nesmith $3,631,200
10. Grant $2,617,800
11. Pritchard $2,137,440
12. Celtics 2021 pick $2,096,880
13. rookie minimum $925,258
14. rookie minimum $925,258
15. rookie minimum $925,258
Yabu $1,039,080
Jackson $92,857

total: $169,395,491

projected tax line: $136,605,810

The C's would be $32,789,681 over the tax line!

For a non-repeater, the tax breaks down like this:

150% for amounts up to $5 million over the threshold
175% from $5-10 million.
250% from $10-15 million.
325% from $15-20 million.
375% from $20-25 million.
425% from $25-30 million.
475% from $30-35 million.
and so on

$7,500,000 + $8,750,000 + $12,500,000 + $16,250,000 + $18,750,000 + $21,250,000 + $13,250,984.75 $ = $98,250,984.75 in luxury tax!

Fwiw, the biggest amount ever paid in luxury tax is $90.57M by the Nets in 2013/14. The biggest ammount paid during the last 5 years was $61.6M by the Thunder in 2018/19. Just 4 teams paid the tax last season. In total, those four teams paid about $5 million in luxury tax, an average of about $1.25 million per team.

tl;dr
In this scenario, the Celtics would have to pay an NBA record ~$98 million in luxury tax!

Is it a record if Golden State and Brooklyn are well above that threshold this season? And Golden State, of course, is in the repeater tax.

And I just don’t see Oladipo getting a salary around $33 million in his first year.  The teams projected  for that amount right now are the Knicks, Spurs, Thunder and Mavs.  Miami is projected to have around $26 million.  If you take $8 million off our cap, that tax decreases rapidly.

If the Warriors make no moves till the deadline, they'll pay a record tax. That said, I fully expect them to dump some serious salary. For instance, I bet we can have Oubre for nothing. Wouldn't even surprise me if they offered us a pick cause we have the TPE. I also believe the Nets will try to dump Dinwiddie.

Most big names have already re-signed with their teams: Giannis, George, Gobert, Tatum, Bam, even guys like Anunoby, Isaac, Kennard, Kuzma, etc. Plenty of teams will have cap space during the offseason. Not many big names will be available. All it takes is one desperate team to make one desperate offer. Assuming we go after Dipo, we gotta expect that someone will give him the max. If we aren't willing to match a max offer, we shouldn't trade for him in the first place. Personally speaking, I wouldn't want us to go after Dipo.

- I believe he's about to become overpaid.
- He's a score-first, ball-dominant guard. At the same time, he's a mediocre shooter. I reckon he'd be a terrible fit next to the Jays.

[footey]

Or, maybe he just wants to play in a good environment where he can win.

I guess that leaves us out.

[Roy H.]

Or, maybe he just wants to play in a good environment where he can win.

I guess that leaves us out.

Yeah, I’m sure he’d hate making the Conference Finals.

[todd_days_41]

As stated before, I’m dealing jack for a guy who is going to leave us to sign in Miami this summer. Weakens us while it strengthens them.

I’d imagine Ainge feels the same.

And if he doesn’t sign in Miami?

I think Oladipo is about as unlikely to sign / re-sign with the Celtics this summer than with any team in the NBA.

1) He'll be a pretty shiny toy in a weak FA class during a summer where tons of teams have cap space without much to spend it on.

2) Are the Cs signing Oladipo to $30M per year to play along side Brown, Tatum and Walker? Why do they need 4 iso wings making near-max or max money?

3) Lastly, why would Victor pick Boston? In what way, shape, or form are Walker and Oladipo supposed to co-exist, let alone giving up a high volume of shots to Tatum and Brown?

Oladipo recently said: “Essentially, it’s like a business plan. You’ve got to go through every aspect of the business plan before you kind of figure out if you want to invest in it.” Think he's investing in being 4th fiddle in Boston, when he's clearly going to have other options?  How'd Gordon Hayward like that? "I envisioned going somewhere where I’d have more responsibility and could maximize who I am as a basketball player—or at least, have an opportunity to maximize who I am. I have that here (in Charlotte). I have the ball in my hands more and I have more responsibility. That’s what I wanted."

Oladipo likes to have the ball in his hands, too. He's not signing a long term deal to play next to Brown and Tatum unless they trade one of 'em, without even accounting for carving out half his shots to a lesser version of himself (Walker). It's pretty hard to imagine any max level wing signing / re-signing / S&T'ing here voluntarily, frankly. Why would they?

That said, if you can get VO for our 15th guy and a 2nd.... fire away. But I suspect the Rockets can get one decent player (if not a pick) for Oladipo when the deadline is nearing.

[Moranis]

It has to be the fact he has made it well known throughout the league he wants to play in Miami next year and Miami has the space to add him.

For Boston, it's got to be a question of why waste the TPE on someone that is almost certain to play elsewhere next year.

You can trade Kemba in off-season to a team with cap space and get another, even bigger trade exception, especially if you are able to sign Victor to a contract. Oladipo and Smart in backcourt would be pretty cool, especially if Victor can regain his form.

If Kemba gets moved, it has to be for a better player. There's no way they salary dump him.

There's no reason to salary dump Kemba to afford Dipo. If you have Oladipo's Bird rights, you just pay him as much as you want.

The team staying under the tax this season means going over the next few years and, if that's so, I could not care less how much it costs Wyc.

Four near max guys? Who cares! Pay the tax! Get that title!

Multiple sources have reported that Danny was shopping Kemba last season. Here's a report from the Athletic.

''League sources said Danny Ainge was trying to move Kemba Walker for a top 10 pick prior to the deadline. He dangled Kemba in front of Chicago and Cleveland, but neither team bit on the offer.''

https://theathletic.com/2204140/2020/11/19/the-nba-draft-is-over-but-the-offseasons-chaos-isnt-nba-power-rankings/

Yeah, last summer.

When Kemba was hurt and the entire team salary was up in the air due to the impending Hayward dealings.

No reason now to deal him. Repeater luxury tax situation averted.

Not if we use the TPE for Oladipo. Forget the repeater tax though. The luxury tax would explode through the roof in 2021/22 regardless of the repeater tax.

If Danny was ready to dump Kemba last season, I bet he'd dump him this season as well (for the right deal of course).

We could send Theis and Edwards out to stay under the tax. The tax can easily be averted and still manage to get Dipo, who, BTW, I would love here in Boston as a fourth star if he was willing to sign long term.

And as I said, I say keep all four guys the cost be danged. Wyc has made gigantic gobs of money as his franchise value has been raised by almost $3 billion since his purchase. Pay the money Wyc.

This is fantasy land.

According to projections, the cap will be $112,414,200 next season.

Let's assume that
- We trade Theis and Edwards to the Rockets.
- Our 2021 pick ends up at #26, just like last season.
- We let Semi and Teague walk during the offseason.
- We fill out the rest of our roster with rookie minimum contracts.

Payroll in 2021/22
1. Kemba $36,016,200
2. Dipo $33,724,260 (8-year vet --> 30% of the cap)
3. Tatum $28,103,550
4. Brown $25,633,929
5. Smart $14,339,285
6. Thompson $9,720,900
7. Romeo $3,804,360
8. Timelord $3,661,976
9. Nesmith $3,631,200
10. Grant $2,617,800
11. Pritchard $2,137,440
12. Celtics 2021 pick $2,096,880
13. rookie minimum $925,258
14. rookie minimum $925,258
15. rookie minimum $925,258
Yabu $1,039,080
Jackson $92,857

total: $169,395,491

projected tax line: $136,605,810

The C's would be $32,789,681 over the tax line!

For a non-repeater, the tax breaks down like this:

150% for amounts up to $5 million over the threshold
175% from $5-10 million.
250% from $10-15 million.
325% from $15-20 million.
375% from $20-25 million.
425% from $25-30 million.
475% from $30-35 million.
and so on

$7,500,000 + $8,750,000 + $12,500,000 + $16,250,000 + $18,750,000 + $21,250,000 + $13,250,984.75 $ = $98,250,984.75 in luxury tax!

Fwiw, the biggest amount ever paid in luxury tax is $90.57M by the Nets in 2013/14. The biggest ammount paid during the last 5 years was $61.6M by the Thunder in 2018/19. Just 4 teams paid the tax last season. In total, those four teams paid about $5 million in luxury tax, an average of about $1.25 million per team.

tl;dr
In this scenario, the Celtics would have to pay an NBA record ~$98 million in luxury tax!

Is it a record if Golden State and Brooklyn are well above that threshold this season? And Golden State, of course, is in the repeater tax.

And I just don’t see Oladipo getting a salary around $33 million in his first year.  The teams projected  for that amount right now are the Knicks, Spurs, Thunder and Mavs.  Miami is projected to have around $26 million.  If you take $8 million off our cap, that tax decreases rapidly.

If the Warriors make no moves till the deadline, they'll pay a record tax. That said, I fully expect them to dump some serious salary. For instance, I bet we can have Oubre for nothing. Wouldn't even surprise me if they offered us a pick cause we have the TPE. I also believe the Nets will try to dump Dinwiddie.

Most big names have already re-signed with their teams: Giannis, George, Gobert, Tatum, Bam, even guys like Anunoby, Isaac, Kennard, Kuzma, etc. Plenty of teams will have cap space during the offseason. Not many big names will be available. All it takes is one desperate team to make one desperate offer. Assuming we go after Dipo, we gotta expect that someone will give him the max. If we aren't willing to match a max offer, we shouldn't trade for him in the first place. Personally speaking, I wouldn't want us to go after Dipo.

- I believe he's about to become overpaid.
- He's a score-first, ball-dominant guard. At the same time, he's a mediocre shooter. I reckon he'd be a terrible fit next to the Jays.

I honestly wouldn't mind taking Dinwiddie into the TPE.  Obviously you only do that move if you intend (and truly believe) you are going to re-sign him, but I think he'd be a pretty nice player for the team.  I think he could be the long term starting PG and would allow the team to look at moving Kemba over the summer.

[ozgod]

As stated before, I’m dealing jack for a guy who is going to leave us to sign in Miami this summer. Weakens us while it strengthens them.

I’d imagine Ainge feels the same.

And if he doesn’t sign in Miami?

I think Oladipo is about as unlikely to sign / re-sign with the Celtics this summer than with any team in the NBA.

1) He'll be a pretty shiny toy in a weak FA class during a summer where tons of teams have cap space without much to spend it on.

2) Are the Cs signing Oladipo to $30M per year to play along side Brown, Tatum and Walker? Why do they need 4 iso wings making near-max or max money?

3) Lastly, why would Victor pick Boston? In what way, shape, or form are Walker and Oladipo supposed to co-exist, let alone giving up a high volume of shots to Tatum and Brown?

Oladipo recently said: “Essentially, it’s like a business plan. You’ve got to go through every aspect of the business plan before you kind of figure out if you want to invest in it.” Think he's investing in being 4th fiddle in Boston, when he's clearly going to have other options?  How'd Gordon Hayward like that? "I envisioned going somewhere where I’d have more responsibility and could maximize who I am as a basketball player—or at least, have an opportunity to maximize who I am. I have that here (in Charlotte). I have the ball in my hands more and I have more responsibility. That’s what I wanted."

Oladipo likes to have the ball in his hands, too. He's not signing a long term deal to play next to Brown and Tatum unless they trade one of 'em, without even accounting for carving out half his shots to a lesser version of himself (Walker). It's pretty hard to imagine any max level wing signing / re-signing / S&T'ing here voluntarily, frankly. Why would they?

That said, if you can get VO for our 15th guy and a 2nd.... fire away. But I suspect the Rockets can get one decent player (if not a pick) for Oladipo when the deadline is nearing.

And that's why it will be hard to attract any of the top shelf names that people have been bandying around. It's because of the fit. It's not as simple as NBA2k and getting the salaries right, it's all how the guy will fit in, what role will he play and will he be happy with it. Remember when Hayward was convinced to come here, what convinced him was the presentation that Brad came up with that showed how he would be used alongside Al and IT. Then that whole plan got thrown out the window with Kyrie's arrival and the ascension of the Jays. And in a way now, what caused Hayward to move on is what will deter a lot of top-caliber players from coming here - will they be happy being the supporting act to the Jays? Both of whom have a usage rate of 26%. Will they be happy with a Kemba role or a Hayward role. Do they think that the chances of a championship will be worth the sacrifice for them, like obviously Harden did in Brooklyn?

That's the biggest challenge with getting an All-Star caliber player, sure we can trade for one but will they stay. In a way, Kemba is a valuable signing for us in that he's (technically) a max level player who is happy to take a back seat and let others shine. Gordon did it for two years because he had the skillset to do so but then he wanted his own team. So in addition to the physical attributes of the player, you have to find the type of player who is going to be happy to be a third string to a couple of 23-24 year olds.