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Jaylen Brown on how Billy Donovan helped push him
« on: May 19, 2020, 09:55:14 PM »

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Thunder coach Billy Donovan had a major impact on Jaylen Brown‘s game, as the Celtics forward explains (h/t Mark Murphy of the Boston Herald). Donovan coaches Brown on Team USA’s Under-18 team a few years back. “He told me he wasn’t playing me because he said I didn’t play hard,” said Brown. “…he told me you’re only going to be in the league for three years because you don’t play hard…I was so mad I was crying. But I think Billy Donovan had a big impact on my drive for sure. I’m in the NBA now, and hopefully I have a couple more years now to go, so we’ll see.”

That is some tough motivational words to hear from your coach at 17, but I think it turned out for the best.

Man, I really cannot fathom to this day, Jaylen Brown's teacher thought he would've ended up in jail despite practically averaging 4.0 and literally excelling in almost every academic course.

I could understand this harsh motivational words from Donovan coming from a side of tough love. Donovan was always known as the guy who would be honest, and tell you the truth. Horford has said mutiple times being coached by Donovan was extremely tough, but very very rewarding.

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"He's one of the best I ever played for, if not right at the top,'' Beal said. "Our relationship was father-son to me, more that than coach-player. I respected his values of challenging me as a man and a person. From day one, he said you are going to have to earn everything. That's what lured me and that's what drew me. To be here, and I haven't been here in a long time, it's awesome to see so many familiar faces."

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That being said, realistically if my coach told me I wouldn't last more than 3 years in the NBA, I'd probably cry tears of joy lol.
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Re: Jaylen Brown on how Billy Donovan helped push him
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2020, 09:59:44 PM »

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Thunder coach Billy Donovan had a major impact on Jaylen Brown‘s game, as the Celtics forward explains (h/t Mark Murphy of the Boston Herald). Donovan coaches Brown on Team USA’s Under-18 team a few years back. “He told me he wasn’t playing me because he said I didn’t play hard,” said Brown. “…he told me you’re only going to be in the league for three years because you don’t play hard…I was so mad I was crying. But I think Billy Donovan had a big impact on my drive for sure. I’m in the NBA now, and hopefully I have a couple more years now to go, so we’ll see.”

That is some tough motivational words to hear from your coach at 17, but I think it turned out for the best.

Man, I really cannot fathom to this day, Jaylen Brown's teacher thought he would've ended up in jail despite practically averaging 4.0 and literally excelling in almost every academic course.

I could understand this harsh motivational words from Donovan coming from a side of tough love. Donovan was always known as the guy who would be honest, and tell you the truth. Horford has said mutiple times being coached by Donovan was extremely tough, but very very rewarding.

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"He's one of the best I ever played for, if not right at the top,'' Beal said. "Our relationship was father-son to me, more that than coach-player. I respected his values of challenging me as a man and a person. From day one, he said you are going to have to earn everything. That's what lured me and that's what drew me. To be here, and I haven't been here in a long time, it's awesome to see so many familiar faces."

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That being said, realistically if my coach told me I wouldn't last more than 3 years in the NBA, I'd probably cry tears of joy lol.

lol @ bolded part !!!

Re: Jaylen Brown on how Billy Donovan helped push him
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2020, 10:37:04 PM »

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It seems that Brown has people doubting him at every turn, at every level. From his HS teacher, to Donovan, to guys being bummed when he was picked, to a very quiet rookie year, little
improvement from year 2-3, and even now that he’s a certified fringe-All Star he gets doubted.

Keep it up world, because it only seems to fuel this young stud!
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2020, 01:05:09 AM »

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Man, I really cannot fathom to this day, Jaylen Brown's teacher thought he would've ended up in jail despite practically averaging 4.0 and literally excelling in almost every academic course..

I've long been leery of some of Brown's credentials, and you're backing up why (but also proves his marketing is working).

From what I can find online, Brown didn't have anywhere near a 4.0 GPA, it was 2.9, nowhere near what I'd call excelling in every course as it was probably mostly B's and a C.

It's the marketing spin that gets you though.  There's always talk about the chess team, graduate level college courses, various "nerdy" activities, etc. that will lead you to believe he's this super smart guy.  But you'll notice there's never any talk of the actual results/achievements in those areas, they just talk about the participation and hope your mind fills in the blanks.

Not hating on Brown, I like him, and not saying he's not smart/intelligent, but I think his level of smartness/intelligence is over-hyped.




Back to the subject at hand.  Maybe Brown's an easily offended guy or the kind of guy that looks for a reason to be offended.  I've always wondered about the context of that teacher comment, and now I'm wondering about the context of this Donovan comment too.

With the teacher comment, I've always pictured it being preceded with something like "if you keep acting like this" or "if you keep going down this path" or "if you hang out with those people" or Brown was misbehaving or being a class clown or thought he was above the rules as a big time athlete or something.  Obviously I wasn't there, and Brown appears to be far from a knucklehead, but I've known even good kids to act out in some way in high school.  In my own personal experience I've known more kids that play the victim than teachers who say something truly malicious, but there are terrible teachers, so it could go either way.  I just have my doubts on the full context, and now with this Donovan grudge it only adds to my doubt.

So with Donovan's comment, to me it sounds like he was just trying to motivate Brown, in a way I imagine a lot of coaches do, even Stevens.  "If you keep playing this way, you're going to be out of the league in a few years!"  Brown sounds unnecessarily offended here based on the little context I have.

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"That was his way, and I really didn’t appreciate that at all. It upset me,” Brown said. "I’m not cool with him to this day. For someone to say that was a lot for a 17-year-old.
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Re: Jaylen Brown on how Billy Donovan helped push him
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2020, 01:14:53 AM »

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WOW ..when I read the OP I thought Brown took it as a positive impact, didnt know he felt bad about it. Since Brown has succeeded why does he hold a grudge and not look at it has a coach trying to get the best out of him?

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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2020, 02:28:22 AM »

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Man, I really cannot fathom to this day, Jaylen Brown's teacher thought he would've ended up in jail despite practically averaging 4.0 and literally excelling in almost every academic course..

I've long been leery of some of Brown's credentials, and you're backing up why (but also proves his marketing is working).

From what I can find online, Brown didn't have anywhere near a 4.0 GPA, it was 2.9, nowhere near what I'd call excelling in every course as it was probably mostly B's and a C.

It's the marketing spin that gets you though.  There's always talk about the chess team, graduate level college courses, various "nerdy" activities, etc. that will lead you to believe he's this super smart guy.  But you'll notice there's never any talk of the actual results/achievements in those areas, they just talk about the participation and hope your mind fill in the blanks.

Not hating on Brown, I like him, and not saying he's not smart/intelligent, but I think his level of smartness/intelligence is over-hyped.
Yeah, I kinda get tired of this narrative too. He’s definitely smarter than a lot of NBA players, but he’s not Lin or Festus Ezeli
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2020, 12:52:07 PM »

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haven't read the article, but seems like Billy D gave Brown a kick in the butt, saying he wasn't playing hard enough, and that Brown was basically conceding he was right. That is a much different take from the teacher who made a pretty poor comment about his future, and arguably a racist one.

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haven't read the article, but seems like Billy D gave Brown a kick in the butt, saying he wasn't playing hard enough, and that Brown was basically conceding he was right. That is a much different take from the teacher who made a pretty poor comment about his future, and arguably a racist one.

Arguably any statement could be arguable.

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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2020, 01:44:57 PM »

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haven't read the article, but seems like Billy D gave Brown a kick in the butt, saying he wasn't playing hard enough, and that Brown was basically conceding he was right. That is a much different take from the teacher who made a pretty poor comment about his future, and arguably a racist one.

Arguably any statement could be arguable.


You trying to start an argument? (LOL)

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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2020, 03:03:51 PM »

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back to the question of getting pushed, I don't mind Billy getting on a player who isn't giving 100%
this seems like middle school / high school basic coaching 101.

i sometimes wish Brad was a little harder on JB/JT because I think it will make them better players in the long run.  that said, I don't know what is said in the locker room.  Brad may very well be giving the right level of tough love right now.  It just feels like at times he can be a bit passive in that area.


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That is what JB does. He proves people wrong and it must feel so [dang] good. I am happy for this kid as he is an incredible player and person off of the court. Dude is gonna make a difference in this world. I am happy he is part of the Celtics and this city loves you, man.
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back to the question of getting pushed, I don't mind Billy getting on a player who isn't giving 100%
this seems like middle school / high school basic coaching 101.

i sometimes wish Brad was a little harder on JB/JT because I think it will make them better players in the long run.  that said, I don't know what is said in the locker room.  Brad may very well be giving the right level of tough love right now.  It just feels like at times he can be a bit passive in that area.

Not sure you or I know what motivates JB or JT well enough to know whether a tougher coach would yield more.  I guess I’d be hard-pressed to think how much better these 2 could be playing right now.   Obviously players respond to different approaches and I realize you are talking “the right balance“.   KC Jones seemed to have gotten more out of Larry Bird than Bobby Knight did.  Maybe Brad has the right balance.

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back to the question of getting pushed, I don't mind Billy getting on a player who isn't giving 100%
this seems like middle school / high school basic coaching 101.

i sometimes wish Brad was a little harder on JB/JT because I think it will make them better players in the long run.  that said, I don't know what is said in the locker room.  Brad may very well be giving the right level of tough love right now.  It just feels like at times he can be a bit passive in that area.

Not sure you or I know what motivates JB or JT well enough to know whether a tougher coach would yield more.  I guess I’d be hard-pressed to think how much better these 2 could be playing right now.   Obviously players respond to different approaches and I realize you are talking “the right balance“.   KC Jones seemed to have gotten more out of Larry Bird than Bobby Knight did.  Maybe Brad has the right balance.

When did Bob Knight coach Larry?