If Kyrie leaves...

[KGBirdBias]

The fascination with Kyrie is surprising. Yes, he's won a ring, but that's like saying because Rondo has a ring he's a good fit for this team. Kyrie isn't a good fit if we're underacheiving when he plays and he creates nothing but drama.

Let's not sell out wins for talent, drama. If we're winning and beating inferior teams then I have no problem with Kyrie. He just seems like the kind of guy that will not let or like anyone else being the alpha dog but him just because he's won. Tatum is quickly climbing the board. Can Kyrie handle anyone else getting shine? I'm beginning to think he can't.

[Walker Wiggle]

I'm astounded by the negative comments about Kyrie. Perhaps people aren't old enough, or can't recall far back enough, to remember a time when we had no superstars and we argued that we "just needed that one superstar".

Guess what, superstars are pains in the butt. I was just watching that documentary on the '86 Celtics and was reminded that McHale basically bailed on the team before their Christmas game that year. And of course before that, Max (the '81 Finals MVP) was a malcontent that weighed on team chemistry. And of course Bird got in a bar fight and messed up his hand in the middle of the '85 finals.

You are basically pining to be the 2019 Academy Awards: host-less because no one could pass the purity test.

[RJ87]

Again, what has Rozier done to make anyone say he's for his next contract? In the games he's started they've won most. He's not a big assist guy but he gets Ws. He hasn't complained about minutes. Imagine where we'd be if we had to go straight to Wanamaker just because Kyrie is out.

The hate on Rozier is crazy. When he gets erratic, take him out. When Kyrie has an off game he keeps jacking.

Maybe it’s him consistently looking for his own numbers, whether they be points or rebounds, to the consistent detriment of the team?

He doesn’t get erratic. He comes in bad, is bad in the middle and finishes bad.

Kyrie keeps jacking because he has over half a decade of play proving that he can score almost anywhere on anyone. Terry has none

Wow, this is just hate on Rozier. Where would we be without him? As soon as him and Brown come in the game, they change the pace. They are bench players what do you expect? When they've started they've played well.

Hayward has stunk the entire season and I see no one getting on him. He has taken mins from everyone.

Terry hasn't been good this season. He's shooting 38% from the field - this is down in February to 34%. You keep comparing him to Kyrie having an "off" game, but on the season Kyrie is shooting 50% from the field, 41% from three, and 87% from the line. He's got an eFG of 57% (Terry is 47%) and a true shooting percentage of 60% (Terry is at 49%). Kyrie gets a longer leash because he's a better and more efficient player.

[PhoSita]

Terry hasn't been good this season.

When, apart from the playoffs last year, has Terry been good for any significant stretch of games?


In >250 career games his average EFG% is 46.6%.


That sort of scoring efficiency might be okay if he were Marcus Smart on defense or something.  But he's not that. 

Nor is he a good playmaker.

What is Terry good at, exactly?  He looks really good for stretches of play here and there, but it doesn't add up to much.

[RJ87]

Terry hasn't been good this season.

When, apart from the playoffs last year, has Terry been good for any significant stretch of games?


In >250 career games his average EFG% is 46.6%.


That sort of scoring efficiency might be okay if he were Marcus Smart on defense or something.  But he's not that. 

Nor is he a good playmaker.

What is Terry good at, exactly?  He looks really good for stretches of play here and there, but it doesn't add up to much.

I'm not disagreeing at all. I think his value is considerably overrated on this board.

[nickagneta]

Terry hasn't been good this season.

When, apart from the playoffs last year, has Terry been good for any significant stretch of games?


In >250 career games his average EFG% is 46.6%.


That sort of scoring efficiency might be okay if he were Marcus Smart on defense or something.  But he's not that. 

Nor is he a good playmaker.

What is Terry good at, exactly?  He looks really good for stretches of play here and there, but it doesn't add up to much.

Actually he is pretty good at starting. Is it playing with better players or that he plays better playing more minutes or what, but he definitely is not a bad starter. He isn't top 15 starters in the league good but his numbers are much better than when he comes off the bench.

226 non starts 18 mpg 6.7/3.3/2.0 on 37.1/34.4/77.8 with 48.7 TS%.

26 starts in 32 mpg 14.7/6.0/5.7 on 39.9/39.6/80.7 with 52.7 TS%

Starting in last year's playoffs 19 starts 36mpg 16.5/5.3/5.7 on 40.6/34.7/82.1 on 53.7% TS%.

That said, I think shrinking the roster and sitting Rozier might be best thing for this team right now. He has been horrendous.

[KGBirdBias]

Again, when Rozier starts he's good. When he comes in off the bench, he's not so good. Its because he feels he has to be impactful in his short period of time. When he's starting he knows he's getting 24+ minutes.

I think its misguided to always beat up a backup PG and let the "leader" Kyrie slide when the team is underacheiving. It's like blaming the backup QB for losing after the starter threw 3 picks and says it's his team. It makes no sense.

Has he had stretches of bad play, yes. I still would rather have him than Wanamaker as the backup PG. No one had been consistent on this team all year but perhaps Morris.

[GreenEnvy]

Terry hasn't been good this season.

When, apart from the playoffs last year, has Terry been good for any significant stretch of games?


In >250 career games his average EFG% is 46.6%.


That sort of scoring efficiency might be okay if he were Marcus Smart on defense or something.  But he's not that. 

Nor is he a good playmaker.

What is Terry good at, exactly?  He looks really good for stretches of play here and there, but it doesn't add up to much.

Actually he is pretty good at starting. Is it playing with better players or that he plays better playing more minutes or what, but he definitely is not a bad starter. He isn't top 15 starters in the league good but his numbers are much better than when he comes off the bench.

226 non starts 18 mpg 6.7/3.3/2.0 on 37.1/34.4/77.8 with 48.7 TS%.

26 starts in 32 mpg 14.7/6.0/5.7 on 39.9/39.6/80.7 with 52.7 TS%

Starting in last year's playoffs 19 starts 36mpg 16.5/5.3/5.7 on 40.6/34.7/82.1 on 53.7% TS%.

That said, I think shrinking the roster and sitting Rozier might be best thing for this team right now. He has been horrendous.

Is it crazy to want to see Wanamaker instead of Rozier?

Wanamaker plays within the system, has a nice stroke from deep, and gives maximum effort while out there.

I can be fine with him for the 15 minutes Kyrie sits and if he’s alongside Hayward for most/all of them, Gordon can be the facilitator.

Rozier forces too much as a reserve. When he starts, he’s much more controlled and let’s his game come to him. When he subs in off the bench, he tries to cram in as much usage as he can.

[RJ87]

Again, when Rozier starts he's good. When he comes in off the bench, he's not so good. Its because he feels he has to be impactful in his short period of time. When he's starting he knows he's getting 24+ minutes.

I think its misguided to always beat up a backup PG and let the "leader" Kyrie slide when the team is underacheiving. It's like blaming the backup QB for losing after the starter threw 3 picks and says it's his team. It makes no sense.

Has he had stretches of bad play, yes. I still would rather have him than Wanamaker as the backup PG. No one had been consistent on this team all year but perhaps Morris.

Sorry, don't buy that. Every poster believes they have special insight into Kyrie thought process and projects negativity onto him, so why is Terry immune? Who's to say his play doesn't dip off the bench because he doesn't care as much if he's not starting?

And who is letting Kyrie slide? Half of this board wants to push him off of Zakim Bridge. With that said, the football analogy is a bad one. Backup QB's don't play the minutes or have as much impact on the game as 2nd unit basketball players. Playing Rozier for stretches makes plays like this https://twitter.com/BrianTRobb/status/1099736743467724801?s=19 momentum killers.

[PhoSita]

Actually he is pretty good at starting. Is it playing with better players or that he plays better playing more minutes or what, but he definitely is not a bad starter. He isn't top 15 starters in the league good but his numbers are much better than when he comes off the bench.

226 non starts 18 mpg 6.7/3.3/2.0 on 37.1/34.4/77.8 with 48.7 TS%.

26 starts in 32 mpg 14.7/6.0/5.7 on 39.9/39.6/80.7 with 52.7 TS%

Starting in last year's playoffs 19 starts 36mpg 16.5/5.3/5.7 on 40.6/34.7/82.1 on 53.7% TS%.

That said, I think shrinking the roster and sitting Rozier might be best thing for this team right now. He has been horrendous.

I would say he's about replacement level as a starter.  His scoring efficiency is just OK, he's not a very good playmaker, his court vision is straight up bad, and his defense is inconsistent.

As we've covered, as a reserve he's awful.

We also know he's been one of the players in the locker room who is most noticeably dissatisfied with his role.


So my question is, why wasn't he traded at the deadline or earlier?

Keeping him has only resulted in his value tanking, and his play has hurt the team.  Failing to trade Rozier sooner is a pretty significant mistake by Ainge and crew, I would say. 

It may be that the market for him wasn't very strong, even before his effectiveness on the court took a turn for the worse.  But I think it's been apparent for a while that it would be addition by subtraction.