no one else noticed?

[celtics4ever33]

I noticed that Celtic fans see what they want to see.


Apparently Rozier was a turn style in the 2nd quarter.

Besides one play , Rozier didnt get destroyed by Curry in that outburst.

Marcus Smart comes in and gets put in to a blender where Curry hits a three and cannot be stopped off the dribble even by the great Smart.

Somehow Rozier is the turnstyle and deserves blame.

Not a dig on Smart, but you wonder what fans are watching, and what agenda they have allows them to create an alternate world where they see things.

TP. I agree with your opinion that Rozier is the scapegoat on CS. It is understandable on a way since he is in the last year of this deal. Also he is natural as proven as other players, plus fans expected another leap from his, honestly unbelievable and overachieving last year.
I still believe in him to deliver in his limited role this year come playoffs.

I just watched the entire 2nd quarter and I saw this...

Jaylen Brown seems like a really dumb player at times. Missing assignments and not switching or staying with his guy. It makes no sense to me.

Rozier did have a brain fart where he literally came over to triple team iguodala , but at the same time it seemed like he may have called for a switch, in which brown failed to switch.

Smart comes in i thnk 7 minute mark , and gives up a 3 , and then like 4 possessions straight where curry gets by him and dishes for free throws and asssists.

Somehow, Rozier gets pinned for a terrible 2nd qtr.

[Sophomore]

I noticed that Celtic fans see what they want to see.


Apparently Rozier was a turn style in the 2nd quarter.

Besides one play , Rozier didnt get destroyed by Curry in that outburst.

Marcus Smart comes in and gets put in to a blender where Curry hits a three and cannot be stopped off the dribble even by the great Smart.

Somehow Rozier is the turnstyle and deserves blame.

Not a dig on Smart, but you wonder what fans are watching, and what agenda they have allows them to create an alternate world where they see things.

TP. I agree with your opinion that Rozier is the scapegoat on CS. It is understandable on a way since he is in the last year of this deal. Also he is natural as proven as other players, plus fans expected another leap from his, honestly unbelievable and overachieving last year.
I still believe in him to deliver in his limited role this year come playoffs.

I just watched the entire 2nd quarter and I saw this...

Jaylen Brown seems like a really dumb player at times. Missing assignments and not switching or staying with his guy. It makes no sense to me.

Rozier did have a brain fart where he literally came over to triple team iguodala , but at the same time it seemed like he may have called for a switch, in which brown failed to switch.

Smart comes in i thnk 7 minute mark , and gives up a 3 , and then like 4 possessions straight where curry gets by him and dishes for free throws and asssists.

Somehow, Rozier gets pinned for a terrible 2nd qtr.

On Brown, re-watch the third quarter and the fourth quarter. Kevin Durant was murdering us. Just blowing by people or shooting over them with that easy, unhurried shot. Jaylen started defending him and really bothered him. One thing I’ve learned is that we need more of Jaylen against Durant. Also saw him make several nice rotations.

On Rozier, most of the flack he catches is for his horrendous decision making on offense. It’s not just that he takes bad shots, it’s that he does it in a way that stops passing and player movement. Either the trust breaks down or other players catch the hero-ball big. Last night that was kept to a minimum, thankfully. There were a few shots and one only-Terry possession where he must have taken 20 dribbles to nowhere before handing the ball off on the permieter.

[celtics4ever33]

I noticed that Celtic fans see what they want to see.


Apparently Rozier was a turn style in the 2nd quarter.

Besides one play , Rozier didnt get destroyed by Curry in that outburst.

Marcus Smart comes in and gets put in to a blender where Curry hits a three and cannot be stopped off the dribble even by the great Smart.

Somehow Rozier is the turnstyle and deserves blame.

Not a dig on Smart, but you wonder what fans are watching, and what agenda they have allows them to create an alternate world where they see things.

TP. I agree with your opinion that Rozier is the scapegoat on CS. It is understandable on a way since he is in the last year of this deal. Also he is natural as proven as other players, plus fans expected another leap from his, honestly unbelievable and overachieving last year.
I still believe in him to deliver in his limited role this year come playoffs.

I just watched the entire 2nd quarter and I saw this...

Jaylen Brown seems like a really dumb player at times. Missing assignments and not switching or staying with his guy. It makes no sense to me.

Rozier did have a brain fart where he literally came over to triple team iguodala , but at the same time it seemed like he may have called for a switch, in which brown failed to switch.

Smart comes in i thnk 7 minute mark , and gives up a 3 , and then like 4 possessions straight where curry gets by him and dishes for free throws and asssists.

Somehow, Rozier gets pinned for a terrible 2nd qtr.

Re-watch the third quarter in the fourth quarter. Kevin Durant was murdering us. Just blowing by people or shooting over them with that easy, unhurried shot. Jaylen started defending him and really bothered him. One thing I’ve learned is that we need more of Jaylen against Durant.

Yea  , i was talking more about those 2 minutes where curry hit 4 three pointers.

[CelticSooner]

I think what we see is the big difference between the warriors and the celts in terms of talent.  After all the talk this offseason, the celts still only have one player that you can count on every game to bring it.  Kyrie and that’s it.

Hordord played well but he’s not that kind of player.  Tatum is not ready just yet.  Brown will never be that type of player.  And Hayward isn’t that player now.

Contrast that to the warriors, who have curry and KD and Klay.

Yep that’s what I got out of it last night. C’s could have won the game but overall the C’s have too many players not playing as well as last year. The depth was the only advantage they had against that stacked team. GS can have one of Curry and Durant on the floor at all times. Once Kyrie sits it turns into a please bench don’t lose it kind of game.

[KGBirdBias]

Brown makes a ton of mistakes and his IQ isnt very good. Plays are right in front of him to make and he just doesn't see it. Missed assignments and fumbling balls all over the place. He will have flashes where he gets hot. He's a very streaky player.

The team showed inexperience down the stretch and hope they can learn from it.

[ozgod]

they made more 2 point shots and three point shots than GS, plus the 3's were at a higher percentage.  That isn't their problem.  Their problem is and has been they either don't drive enough or don't drive to contact or both.  They need to get to the line about twice as often as they do.  That aggressiveness is what they are lacking.  Tatum, irving, smart, brown, hayward, rozier all can do better at this.  They are all athletic enough.  They have the skills.  It is the want to that is lacking.

It's not the athletic skills, it's the mindset.

Among the Celtic players right now, only Kyrie drives to the basket on a regular basis.

Sure guys like Tatum, Brown, Hayward, and Rozier are athletic enough, but their mindset is different.

There are players who want to drive to the basket every chance they get.
But some players want pull up jumpers, step backs, and fade-away shots.

I think once Tatum's body matures, he will drive to the basket more.

Celts need a big man like Vucevic.
He will score inside because that's what he loves to do.

Right now Horford is basically a stretch 4.

If the Celts can get Vucevic, Celts will have the option of playing inside-outside basketball.

Part of the reason that Brown, Tatum and Hayward don't always drive to the basket is because they aren't as good at finishing in contact around the rim as Kyrie is, nor are they as good at breaking down their defender as he is. They need plays, screens, to give them open lanes to the basket. For guys who are athletic, like Brown and Tatum, they have a lot of improvement to do in terms of finishing through contact, which I suspect is why they settle for pull ups, fadeways, etc. As for Hayward, he used to draw 6FTA per game driving to the rim but for reason that have been discussed ad nauseum on this forum he's reluctant to finish in contact right now.

[Sophomore]

It was a disappointing night, no doubt. But if Mook hits that open 3 we could easily have won. Or if KI and Al didn’t turn it over five times in the fourth. I’m not making excuses - we lost. And I’d like to have more of a margin for error. But if we executed we had enough.

[KGBirdBias]

Reports are a Warriors player said Hayward is a liability at both ends of the court.

Maybe it's time to sit him or send him to the DL for 10 games and let the other guys get the minutes.

[RJ87]

Reports are a Warriors player said Hayward is a liability at both ends of the court.

Maybe it's time to sit him or send him to the DL for 10 games and let the other guys get the minutes.

An "anonymous" Warriors player also said we need to make a trade. Danny should get on that ASAP since anon is his new boss.

[KGBirdBias]

...but did the anon player lie? I don't think so.

[hpantazo]

...but did the anon player lie? I don't think so.

Of course he lied. He knows the Celtics are their biggest threat, and that once Hayward gets back to form GS has to worry. Giving anonymous statements like this to the media can stimulate sone internal conflict on the Celtics. if this guy really believed this, the statement wouldn't have been anonymous

[RockinRyA]

they made more 2 point shots and three point shots than GS, plus the 3's were at a higher percentage.  That isn't their problem.  Their problem is and has been they either don't drive enough or don't drive to contact or both.  They need to get to the line about twice as often as they do.  That aggressiveness is what they are lacking.  Tatum, irving, smart, brown, hayward, rozier all can do better at this.  They are all athletic enough.  They have the skills.  It is the want to that is lacking.

It's not the athletic skills, it's the mindset.

Among the Celtic players right now, only Kyrie drives to the basket on a regular basis.

Sure guys like Tatum, Brown, Hayward, and Rozier are athletic enough, but their mindset is different.

There are players who want to drive to the basket every chance they get.
But some players want pull up jumpers, step backs, and fade-away shots.

I think once Tatum's body matures, he will drive to the basket more.

Celts need a big man like Vucevic.
He will score inside because that's what he loves to do.

Right now Horford is basically a stretch 4.

If the Celts can get Vucevic, Celts will have the option of playing inside-outside basketball.

Part of the reason that Brown, Tatum and Hayward don't always drive to the basket is because they aren't as good at finishing in contact around the rim as Kyrie is, nor are they as good at breaking down their defender as he is. They need plays, screens, to give them open lanes to the basket. For guys who are athletic, like Brown and Tatum, they have a lot of improvement to do in terms of finishing through contact, which I suspect is why they settle for pull ups, fadeways, etc. As for Hayward, he used to draw 6FTA per game driving to the rim but for reason that have been discussed ad nauseum on this forum he's reluctant to finish in contact right now.

Finally someone who makes sense.

[Moranis]

they made more 2 point shots and three point shots than GS, plus the 3's were at a higher percentage.  That isn't their problem.  Their problem is and has been they either don't drive enough or don't drive to contact or both.  They need to get to the line about twice as often as they do.  That aggressiveness is what they are lacking.  Tatum, irving, smart, brown, hayward, rozier all can do better at this.  They are all athletic enough.  They have the skills.  It is the want to that is lacking.

It's not the athletic skills, it's the mindset.

Among the Celtic players right now, only Kyrie drives to the basket on a regular basis.

Sure guys like Tatum, Brown, Hayward, and Rozier are athletic enough, but their mindset is different.

There are players who want to drive to the basket every chance they get.
But some players want pull up jumpers, step backs, and fade-away shots.

I think once Tatum's body matures, he will drive to the basket more.

Celts need a big man like Vucevic.
He will score inside because that's what he loves to do.

Right now Horford is basically a stretch 4.

If the Celts can get Vucevic, Celts will have the option of playing inside-outside basketball.

Part of the reason that Brown, Tatum and Hayward don't always drive to the basket is because they aren't as good at finishing in contact around the rim as Kyrie is, nor are they as good at breaking down their defender as he is. They need plays, screens, to give them open lanes to the basket. For guys who are athletic, like Brown and Tatum, they have a lot of improvement to do in terms of finishing through contact, which I suspect is why they settle for pull ups, fadeways, etc. As for Hayward, he used to draw 6FTA per game driving to the rim but for reason that have been discussed ad nauseum on this forum he's reluctant to finish in contact right now.

Finally someone who makes sense.

All sounds good, until you realize that Irving only gets to the line 19.7% of the time, which is well below the other 3 (Tatum is the closest of that group with a FT rate of 23.1%).  That is actually one of the great offensive flaws of Irving in that he just doesn't generate foul shots like someone with his ability should. 

[PhoSita]

They scored plenty of points.

The free throw attempt disparity was 34 to 15 in a game they lost by 4.

It's not complicated.


I agree that turnovers in the fourth quarter undermined any attempt to win it, despite the free throw disparity.

The free throw disparity caused by too many 3’s. So agree with GW that contributed.

You know the warriors took 33 threes right?