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Re: Tough decision Brad should consider
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2019, 03:13:57 AM »

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Taking rozier out of the lineup entirely.  Unless he’s pounding the ball being a volume shooter, he hurts the team.  He’s a big part of why Hayward hasn’t been able to contribute because he’s a really bad facilitator, forcing Hayward on the ball rather than concentrating on being a scorer.  Add brown, another really bad playmaker and how in the world is anyone else on the second unit supposed to get into a groove?

Now brown can still contribute but rozier badly needs to go.


I think we should give Brown more play making responsibilities. At least he can get into the paint. I don't think his passing is as bad as some people think.
Yeah, no.  I think browns playmaking is dreadful.  I’m okay with him being an energy player but that’s about it.


To each his own, I just disagree. I'm not saying his playmaking is good, but its better than dreadful. I've seen him make some nice kick out passes off from drives this year. I've also seen him make some nice dump off passes to guys like Baynes and Theis as well. He passes decently in the open court on the fast break, that and his ability to attack is why you often see the Celtics get it to him in transition.

My main point is I'd like to see him play some PnR. Last year I remember him displaying some decent rythm when he got a man on his hip. It wuld allow him the chance to exploit some mismatches caused by switching, and give him some oppurtunity to grow in the role. Running some set plays for him simplfiies the amount he has to think out there and would help as well. he was pretty good attacking off dribble hand offs out of the corner last year, so we should at least do that.

Re: Tough decision Brad should consider
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2019, 03:23:10 AM »

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Taking rozier out of the lineup entirely.  Unless he’s pounding the ball being a volume shooter, he hurts the team.  He’s a big part of why Hayward hasn’t been able to contribute because he’s a really bad facilitator, forcing Hayward on the ball rather than concentrating on being a scorer.  Add brown, another really bad playmaker and how in the world is anyone else on the second unit supposed to get into a groove?

Now brown can still contribute but rozier badly needs to go.


I think we should give Brown more play making responsibilities. At least he can get into the paint. I don't think his passing is as bad as some people think.

That's a big improvement opportunity for Jaylen - being able to learn how to drive and kick. Right now he has one gear and it goes straight ahead. If he can develop that vision to attract two defenders and hit an open man on the perimeter it adds another facet to his game. But right now I don't think he's there yet.
Yeah, you can see him hesitate before passing it once he sees he is closed off at the rim. He is finding the right guy more and more but not before slowing down a bunch, slowing down the possession. But then you see that once or twice a game or so where he makes that right pass without the hesitation and it helps the offense score and run well.

Jaylen is still maybe 2-3 years away from being a pnr playmaker, but I think he will be a much better overall passer within the flow of the offense and creating for others, especially off the drive, as soon as this playoff season and definitely next year.


And to be fair, with wings especially, the playmaking is often the last thing that comes along. Not everybody is Luka Doncic. Jaylen has a long way to go, but you can see that he at least knows know what the right things to do more often then not is. He looks to kick it out when cut off on drives, swing it to guys coming off screens at the 3 pnt line, ect. he's not a bad passer, he just needs  to grow at recognizing what the right pass it. And it might help him devlop if he wanst parked in the corner for long stretches.

And thats why I'd ike to see him get a shot just being run as the ball handler in some PnR or even just set plays. It would simplify the reads he needs to make in order to make a pass while putting te ball in somebody's hands who can actualy get into the paint. It may not be imediately pretty, but I feel like getting him  and Tatum for that matter some reps is a good long term play if Hayward is gona be a shell of himself this year.

Re: Tough decision Brad should consider
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2019, 07:21:23 AM »

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Rozier has been a ball hog since day one.  Hey are people surprised ::)

Re: Tough decision Brad should consider
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2019, 07:29:52 AM »

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No way Brown can be a facilitator...he can't handle the ball or pass. He's a great slasher. I think it may be time to play more Rozier and Kyrie together. Then whomever has it going between Brown and Hayward will get the minutes. Steven's is trying to force Hayward with minutes when he does nothing. You usually know pretty quick which 2 of the 3 will play well.

Did you'll see how the Warriors always have cutters and slashers that create passing lanes. We stand around or at the 3 pt line too much.


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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2019, 08:53:12 AM »

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No way Brown can be a facilitator...he can't handle the ball or pass. He's a great slasher. I think it may be time to play more Rozier and Kyrie together. Then whomever has it going between Brown and Hayward will get the minutes. Steven's is trying to force Hayward with minutes when he does nothing. You usually know pretty quick which 2 of the 3 will play well.

Did you'll see how the Warriors always have cutters and slashers that create passing lanes. We stand around or at the 3 pt line too much.

Yeah Brown is seeming more like Ricky Davis than Kobe.

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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2019, 08:58:29 AM »

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No issue with that. I would look at it as being a temporary demotion for the time-being. Let Rozier know that he hasn't been playing well enough and that he needs to do better. Share the ball more and play better defense. Not mad about missing shots but I want to see more effort and more teamwork.

If Rozier shows that improvement in practice, he can come back into the rotation.

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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2019, 09:01:38 AM »

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Taking rozier out of the lineup entirely.  Unless he’s pounding the ball being a volume shooter, he hurts the team.  He’s a big part of why Hayward hasn’t been able to contribute because he’s a really bad facilitator, forcing Hayward on the ball rather than concentrating on being a scorer. 

I don't see Rozier being an issue with regards to Hayward. Hayward is Hayward's problem. He just isn't right physically yet.

Hayward never played with any great PGs in Utah. Nobody to create him shots. He has always been a player who likes to be on the ball and can create for both himself and for others. He has always been unselfish. He has always been a team player. That is how he plays.

Rozier isn't effecting his style of play.

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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2019, 09:38:24 AM »

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Wanamaker is better than Rozier.

He's a better point guard and a better shooter.

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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2019, 11:35:22 AM »

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Taking rozier out of the lineup entirely.  Unless he’s pounding the ball being a volume shooter, he hurts the team.  He’s a big part of why Hayward hasn’t been able to contribute because he’s a really bad facilitator, forcing Hayward on the ball rather than concentrating on being a scorer. 

I don't see Rozier being an issue with regards to Hayward. Hayward is Hayward's problem. He just isn't right physically yet.

Hayward never played with any great PGs in Utah. Nobody to create him shots. He has always been a player who likes to be on the ball and can create for both himself and for others. He has always been unselfish. He has always been a team player. That is how he plays.

Rozier isn't effecting his style of play.
There is no question that Hayward is the root of a lot of Hayward’s issues.  But man, rozier sure isn’t helping.  He has zero ability to facilitate an offense.  The Celtics simply cannot run plays around Hayward when rozier is out there.  He can’t even get Hayward the ball when he curls around the key consistently.  It’s downright pitiful.

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2019, 12:06:38 PM »

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I’m fully on board with trading Rozier at the deadline for whatever we can get. I know his value is low, but I think it would not only help the bench unit, but help Rozier as well. I don’t think he’s a bad player, but he needs more freedom. Trade him to a rebuilding squad for a veteran player that doesn’t need the ball in his hands.

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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2019, 12:17:37 PM »

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I still like the deal of Vonleh and Frank Nit for Rozier, Theis and a pick.

Nitkilina is the perfect backup PG who can play defense and be a table setter.  I think the 2nd unit is missing a table setter to run offense. Rozier is more of a scoring guard.

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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2019, 03:09:49 PM »

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It may be time to move Morris and Rozier. We have to let Tatum and Brown grow. Tatum had it going and they went away from him. It's hard to tell if a guy is ready to go off because so many minutes are split up.

Kyrie, Horford and Tatum should've played extended minutes last night.

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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2019, 03:16:06 PM »

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Team is going to struggle when 2 key guys on the bench combine to score 4 points. And on most nights those 2 guys do not pull their weight.

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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2019, 03:52:47 PM »

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Use Rozier and Wanamaker like the Cs use Baynes and Theis.  Make Rozier first PG off the bench. If he has a bad first half like last night go to Wanamaker in the 3rd quarter

It's a tough, strange situation the Cs find themselves in. They are a contender who are being asked to develop young players at the same time.