Washburn: Crowder to Hawks in the works?

[kozlodoev]

Very sick of this situation.
Crowder has been working his ass off, take a pay-cut, embrace everything but you and reporters disrespect him.
I thought Celtics fans were the best in the world?

LOL. No. Crowder never took a pay cut in any form or shape. What he took was a five-year contract, giving a large amount of security to someone who was averaging less than 10 ppg largely off the bench.

I'll be happy to "shut up and cheer" when players "shut up and play". But Jae Crowder, in particular, is having major issues with this concept. He certainly isn't "embrace everything" [sic].

[Bobshot]

It will come down to Crowder vs Smart. Who will bring back the Celts the most assets without adding to the capspace

They need to create cap space, not just not add to it.  Otherwise I think Danny would keep all 3.

My numbers say $98M for the core 8, including Crowder, Bradley and Smart. Excluding Rozier.
Zizic must be added--which could be a problem.

They've had plenty of time to think about this--they had a fair idea they were going to get Hayward. So I'm sure they have a plan.

The next step is to get Hayward signed. The simple option is to get Crowder off the books, but there may be more creative approaches. We'll see shortly.

[Snakehead]

Very sick of this situation.
Crowder has been working his ass off, take a pay-cut, embrace everything but you and reporters disrespect him.
I thought Celtics fans were the best in the world?

LOL. No. Crowder never took a pay cut in any form or shape. What he took was a five-year contract, giving a large amount of security to someone who was averaging less than 10 ppg largely off the bench.

I'll be happy to "shut up and cheer" when players "shut up and play". But Jae Crowder, in particular, is having major issues with this concept. He certainly isn't "embrace everything" [sic].

Crowder did play his way into his contract being a steal.  He became a much, much better shooter over his time here.  He maybe could have gotten more somewhere given where contracts were a bit ago, but I'm not sure.

Anyways I don't see him being a guy happy with a bench role either.  In addition to the need for minutes at wing I think he makes the most sense.  And I feel like since teams know the C's have to trade, given that he is a good value maybe he can get the best return right now with little leverage.

[Snakehead]

I would love to keep Smart and extend him, which I think you can do on a contract that will be a steal soon.

As much as I love Bradley, I don't really see a possible way he is resigned.

Personally I would trade Crowder but next has to be Bradley for me.  You can't keep him long term.  Which is a shame because I think he would be a tremendous fit alongside great players. 

I think, with IT coming off injury, I can see just taking the year with Smart and Bradley and figuring it out next.  Maybe IT is slowed by the injury and you don't want to pay him at the end of the year.  Maybe Smart has a big year and you can resign Bradley and have them as your backcourt going forward.

[hpantazo]

Very sick of this situation.
Crowder has been working his ass off, take a pay-cut, embrace everything but you and reporters disrespect him.
I thought Celtics fans were the best in the world?

LOL. No. Crowder never took a pay cut in any form or shape. What he took was a five-year contract, giving a large amount of security to someone who was averaging less than 10 ppg largely off the bench.

I'll be happy to "shut up and cheer" when players "shut up and play". But Jae Crowder, in particular, is having major issues with this concept. He certainly isn't "embrace everything" [sic].

Crowder did play his way into his contract being a steal.  He became a much, much better shooter over his time here.  He maybe could have gotten more somewhere given where contracts were a bit ago, but I'm not sure.

Anyways I don't see him being a guy happy with a bench role either.  In addition to the need for minutes at wing I think he makes the most sense.  And I feel like since teams know the C's have to trade, given that he is a good value maybe he can get the best return right now with little leverage.

Crowder had his chance to prove his worth in the playoffs last season. He proved that he is definitely not a starter level player for a contender. His ego has grown, his effort has declined, and if he doesn't think he should come off the bench for a #1 seed, then he has some serious issues.

[kozlodoev]

Very sick of this situation.
Crowder has been working his ass off, take a pay-cut, embrace everything but you and reporters disrespect him.
I thought Celtics fans were the best in the world?

LOL. No. Crowder never took a pay cut in any form or shape. What he took was a five-year contract, giving a large amount of security to someone who was averaging less than 10 ppg largely off the bench.

I'll be happy to "shut up and cheer" when players "shut up and play". But Jae Crowder, in particular, is having major issues with this concept. He certainly isn't "embrace everything" [sic].

Crowder did play his way into his contract being a steal.  He became a much, much better shooter over his time here.  He maybe could have gotten more somewhere given where contracts were a bit ago, but I'm not sure.

Anyways I don't see him being a guy happy with a bench role either.  In addition to the need for minutes at wing I think he makes the most sense.  And I feel like since teams know the C's have to trade, given that he is a good value maybe he can get the best return right now with little leverage.

I agree, and that's a credit to him. But I don't think he handled his improved offensive skill and position as one of the leaders of the team very well. Too many bad shots in clutch situation, too little bulldog on defense, too much running his mouth on social media.

He's an odd fit with the current roster, as you can't start him together with Hayward (harder to hide Thomas that way), and Brown and Tatum will be breathing in his neck for his role either way. Plus, he's likely to bring the best value back and we NEED a starting PF.

[Snakehead]

Very sick of this situation.
Crowder has been working his ass off, take a pay-cut, embrace everything but you and reporters disrespect him.
I thought Celtics fans were the best in the world?

LOL. No. Crowder never took a pay cut in any form or shape. What he took was a five-year contract, giving a large amount of security to someone who was averaging less than 10 ppg largely off the bench.

I'll be happy to "shut up and cheer" when players "shut up and play". But Jae Crowder, in particular, is having major issues with this concept. He certainly isn't "embrace everything" [sic].

Crowder did play his way into his contract being a steal.  He became a much, much better shooter over his time here.  He maybe could have gotten more somewhere given where contracts were a bit ago, but I'm not sure.

Anyways I don't see him being a guy happy with a bench role either.  In addition to the need for minutes at wing I think he makes the most sense.  And I feel like since teams know the C's have to trade, given that he is a good value maybe he can get the best return right now with little leverage.

Crowder had his chance to prove his worth in the playoffs last season. He proved that he is definitely not a starter level player for a contender. His ego has grown, his effort has declined, and if he doesn't think he should come off the bench for a #1 seed, then he has some serious issues.

I don't agree with the negative overall.  For me he just capped out.  Over the last couple seasons I had the hope he could start creating off the dribble and take a step up as a player but I don't think that's him.  As is he's just a 3 and D guy which is a good thing.

I do think maybe this last seasons his defense suffered some with the offensive effort but I have seen that happen to a lot of players, even Avery Bradley early in the Stevens era.


I still like Crowder but you are ultimately right he can't put you over as a contender as a starter, at least with the Celtics roster.  I could see him starting on certain teams with enough starpower to let him be himself, like some recent LeBron teams maybe.  Hayward, as a guy who can create his own shot, adds a very different element to the team.

[kozlodoev]

I don't agree with the negative overall.  For me he just capped out.  Over the last couple seasons I had the hope he could start creating off the dribble and take a step up as a player but I don't think that's him.  As is he's just a 3 and D guy which is a good thing.

Clearly not in his mind, though -- which is a bad thing.

[obnoxiousmime]

I would love to keep Smart and extend him, which I think you can do on a contract that will be a steal soon.

As much as I love Bradley, I don't really see a possible way he is resigned.

Personally I would trade Crowder but next has to be Bradley for me.  You can't keep him long term.  Which is a shame because I think he would be a tremendous fit alongside great players. 

I think, with IT coming off injury, I can see just taking the year with Smart and Bradley and figuring it out next.  Maybe IT is slowed by the injury and you don't want to pay him at the end of the year.  Maybe Smart has a big year and you can resign Bradley and have them as your backcourt going forward.

The problem is trading Bradley leaves you thin at the SG spot. I'd feel better if he played one more season and Brown could take over in 2018. Brown still needs to work on his handle and his shot. Yes, it would mean they lose Bradley for nothing, but we don't necessarily need more draft picks now and it's hard to think of a good trade match considering Bradley is probably a rental. I mean, would the player coming back be of any real quality? If not, maybe keep Bradley another year and see what happens.

[Snakehead]

I don't agree with the negative overall.  For me he just capped out.  Over the last couple seasons I had the hope he could start creating off the dribble and take a step up as a player but I don't think that's him.  As is he's just a 3 and D guy which is a good thing.

Clearly not in his mind, though -- which is a bad thing.

That's a pretty fair point.  The only thing I will say in his defense is you to believe before anyone else does and I give him that right trying to be the best he can but I think he should settle down into his role.  Trading him probably would be a good reality check for that.

[Snakehead]

I would love to keep Smart and extend him, which I think you can do on a contract that will be a steal soon.

As much as I love Bradley, I don't really see a possible way he is resigned.

Personally I would trade Crowder but next has to be Bradley for me.  You can't keep him long term.  Which is a shame because I think he would be a tremendous fit alongside great players. 

I think, with IT coming off injury, I can see just taking the year with Smart and Bradley and figuring it out next.  Maybe IT is slowed by the injury and you don't want to pay him at the end of the year.  Maybe Smart has a big year and you can resign Bradley and have them as your backcourt going forward.

The problem is trading Bradley leaves you thin at the SG spot. I'd feel better if he played one more season and Brown could take over in 2018. Brown still needs to work on his handle and his shot. Yes, it would mean they lose Bradley for nothing, but we don't necessarily need more draft picks now and it's hard to think of a good trade match considering Bradley is probably a rental. I mean, would the player coming back be of any real quality? If not, maybe keep Bradley another year and see what happens.

I'd be fine w Rozier, Smart, Hayward, and Brown some playing minutes at SG personally.  I think that's enough.   I'd like Smart's passing on the floor a lot with more scoring that has been added.  Maybe not a traditional SG but I think that's fine.

I feel like this team absolutely needs a big right now so some rotation stuff is hard to figure out.  Maybe you trade Crowder for one then sign a SG type for MLE.

[playdream]

When Jae answered to the fan who said , "take celtic or leave" by "I don't mind leaving"
he is as good as gone , and he even bashed CBS's rotation
Ainge will NOT show any mercy to those kind of guy

[__ramonezy__]

Though I'd love to keep Crowder, I think he will become a distraction and split the locker room eventually. I'd trade him to a Western contender out of respect in exchange for a future 1st.

Unlike others I have no problems with riding AB till we can't afford him anymore and he walks away. An additional year of tutelage for JB and JT is more crucial in my opinion than getting pennies on the dollar in a trade now... and whi knows we may get a hometown discount

[Bobshot]

Crowder's a nice bench guy now on this team. I suspect his low salary makes him tradeable.

They have any number of younger wings right now that can take his place, and they need PT to develop.

I keep changing my view here, but Ainge has a stock of talented kids now on the wings, and they are cheaper. Stevens can teach them D.