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Re: Philly is Lying about Jackson. Stealing Ball?
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2017, 10:45:33 AM »

Offline TheSundanceKid

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Both Kevin Pelton and Nate Duncan think that Ball is the better fit with Ben Simmons...NOT Fultz.

So it is possible that Philly is jumping the Lakers to take Lonzo.

Can you imagine the accolades Danny gets if he moves down and still ends up with Markelle?

That would be fascinating but there is no scenario where LA passes on Fultz. Especially with these new rumours of PG in 2018, they'll take Fultz and laugh all the way to the bank.

Re: Philly is Lying about Jackson. Stealing Ball?
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2017, 11:05:53 AM »

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TP to KG Living Legend for possibly sniffing this out.

Both Kevin Pelton and Nate Duncan think that Ball is the better fit with Ben Simmons...NOT Fultz.

So it is possible that Philly is jumping the Lakers to take Lonzo.

Can you imagine the accolades Danny gets if he moves down and still ends up with Markelle?

That would be fascinating but there is no scenario where LA passes on Fultz. Especially with these new rumours of PG in 2018, they'll take Fultz and laugh all the way to the bank.

What if LA made a promise to Jackson as speculated a few weeks ago? Probably not, but adds to the fascination.

Re: Philly is Lying about Jackson. Stealing Ball?
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2017, 11:16:57 AM »

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IF Philly takes Ball and the IF the Lakers take Jackson and Fultz falls to us (those are 2 BIG, highly unlikely "ifs"), here is an interesting question to ponder:

Does Danny move on Fultz AGAIN for max value and still get the player he wants plus more assets?

That would be pretty much proof positive that he wasn't that high on Fultz to begin with.

Love to see that scenario play out (not just to benefit us) for its entertainment value on the buzz/chatter/posts that would generate.

It would be epic.

Haha

Re: Philly is Lying about Jackson. Stealing Ball?
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2017, 11:25:08 AM »

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Both Kevin Pelton and Nate Duncan think that Ball is the better fit with Ben Simmons...NOT Fultz.

So it is possible that Philly is jumping the Lakers to take Lonzo.

Can you imagine the accolades Danny gets if he moves down and still ends up with Markelle?

I dont understand this.

Simmons biggest plus it's his uncanny ability to pass the ball and play as a genuine 6'10" PG.   

His biggest weakness is his lack of a consistent outside shot.

Fultz is one of the best shooters / scorers in the draft, while Ball's biggest upside is his passing ability.  It only makes sense for Ball to play with the ball in his hands,  which means you can't run your offense through Simmons.

Philly are desperate for scoring and shoo ting more then anything - Fultz is a dream for them.

Re: Philly is Lying about Jackson. Stealing Ball?
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2017, 11:45:30 AM »

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Sixers are taking Fultz. They need a point guard, and among the 2 at the top, Fultz's skillset fits the team better than Ball, plus has a lot less question mark.

About the Lakers, I have no idea who they are going to take.

Re: Philly is Lying about Jackson. Stealing Ball?
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2017, 11:49:13 AM »

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Outstanding alternate take and thinking outside the stifling Groupthink box, KG, as always.

Many moons ago, when the Celts were still playing playoff ball and well before the Markelle Is The New Basketball Jesus Groupthink took full possession of everybody's hearts, minds and souls, I expressed a preference for Lonzo, crazy old man or not. We don't, after all, get to pick our parents. And, the relatively reticent Lonzo seems to thankfully take after his mom, in any case.

My estimation was based, most of all, on the young man's evinced ability to make whoever he shares the court with significantly better than they are when left up to their own devices. Obviously, such a trait is invaluable, and particularly so in Brad's system. Lonzo's first thought and dominant on-court paradigm is how to involve his teammates to the fullest extent. He's actually a master-in-the-making of that realm. He would fit just fine in Boston. Danny and Brad, with help from the fan base if need be, would find a way to muzzle old Lavar, if necessary. I don't see this as a problem.

Regardless of who the Cs wind up with, I've mentioned elsewhere that I think Brad is driving this whole thing far more than we might imagine or are discussing and, in terms of accurate player assessment, very thankfully because: Trader Danny is far superior to Drafter Danny, as we all are well aware.

And, I don’t think any of this is necessarily a prelude to a bigger deal or a bunch of "fireworks," but more likely just another step in Brad’s process of building the perfect beast and consummate iteration of the "Butler Celtics," i.e, refining "the system" by getting the types of players he wants and can work well within it, like cogs in the lean machine of his dreams.

As several people have mentioned, this is also an indication of how fundamentally satisfied everyone is with the core group as presently constituted and its considerable potential for development/improvement moving forward.

To supplement whatever the haul is in the draft, I expect Brad will use every bit of influence he has personally to get Hayward in green this fall. And, of course, others may follow.

It’s truly fascinating to watch how the guy works, how he functions in tandem with Danny, and to speculate regarding how their "process" may or may not play out.

The thought that keeps nagging at me, though, is the Butler Bulldog version of the vaunted system was good enough to reach the [NCAA] finals twice consecutively only to lose both times, once narrowly, because it was fatefully lacking in stars other than Hayward who, for all his heroics, was a little short of adequate help just as he has been with the Jazz. That won't be the case with the Celtics.

Answers are on the way. Either way, and one way or the other, interesting times lie just ahead.


Re: Philly is Lying about Jackson. Stealing Ball?
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2017, 07:37:17 PM »

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Well the Lakers are locked into taking a PG now after trading D. Russell for Brook Lopez.  I don't see them passing on Fultz or Ball now, whoever drops to #2.

So we're likely picking either Josh Jackson, Tatum, or trading the pick altogether in a package for Porzingis.   Knicks apparently love J Jackson so it could happen...