Celtics workout Tatum, still trying to get Ball and Jackson to workout for team

[inverselock]

Jackson takes role player shots.    Tatum takes go to guy shots.    Can't compare shooting %.

Considering the difference in shot difficulty, Tatum looks good.   Jackson 30% mid range.   Not a scorer.

[gouki88]

Jackson takes role player shots.    Tatum takes go to guy shots.    Can't compare shooting %.

Considering the difference in shot difficulty, Tatum looks good.   Jackson 30% mid range.   Not a scorer.

Lonzo's is incredibly misleading seeming he only made a dozen or so mid-range shots.

Fox and Jackson both have nasty charts - Fultz doesn't 

[CelticsElite]

Wow fox is worse than I thought lol

[knuckleballer]

We're all trying to predict players ability to knock down shots in the NBA.  It's not easy and it is likely none of us are mostly right.  I try to look at form and the difficulty of the shots they take.  I'm probably wrong in most of my assessments.

When it comes to this matter, there are two players I currently think about.  Beal and  Jaylen Brown.

Beal did not shoot well as a freshman.  Scouts raved about his form and insisted he would be a great shooter in the NBA.  They were right.

Brown could get to the rim as a freshman, but couldn't finish.  He couldn't finish in the summer league either, but he was actually pretty good at finishing as a rookie.

These things are hard to predict.  In my unprofessional opinion, I think Tatum will be able to knock down a lot of the difficult shots he takes,  not as a rookie, but probably in 2-3 seasons.

[CelticsElite]

We're all trying to predict players ability to knock down shot in the NBA.  It's not easy and it likely none ofus are right.  I try o look at form and the difficulty of the shots they take.  I'm probably wrong in most of my assessments.

When it comes to this matter, there are two players I currently think about.  Beal and  Jaylen Brown.

Beal did not shoot well as a freshman.  Scouts raved about his form andinsisted he would be a great shooter in the NBA.  They were right.

Brown could get to the rim as a freshman, but couldn't finish.  He couldn't finish in the summer league either, but he was actually pretty good at finishing as a rookie.

These things are hard to predict.  In my unprofessional opinion, I think Tatum will be able to knock down a lot of the difficult shots he takes,  not as a rookie, but probably in 2-3 seasons.

100% agree. Tatum has a very nice form. Jackson has a hitch in his shot.

[knuckleballer]

We're all trying to predict players ability to knock down shot in the NBA.  It's not easy and it likely none ofus are right.  I try o look at form and the difficulty of the shots they take.  I'm probably wrong in most of my assessments.

When it comes to this matter, there are two players I currently think about.  Beal and  Jaylen Brown.

Beal did not shoot well as a freshman.  Scouts raved about his form andinsisted he would be a great shooter in the NBA.  They were right.

Brown could get to the rim as a freshman, but couldn't finish.  He couldn't finish in the summer league either, but he was actually pretty good at finishing as a rookie.

These things are hard to predict.  In my unprofessional opinion, I think Tatum will be able to knock down a lot of the difficult shots he takes,  not as a rookie, but probably in 2-3 seasons.

100% agree. Tatum has a very nice form. Jackson has a hitch in his shot.

Absolutely true.  And as I've written elsewhere, Jackson took a lot of wide open shots while Tatum had to work for his.

[inverselock]

Lonzo's is incredibly misleading seeming he only made a dozen or so mid-range shots.

Fox and Jackson both have nasty charts - Fultz doesn't 

Yeah, volume is the key there.    Also,  that ugly shot.   Makes me sick.   Disgusting.

[CelticsElite]

Boston previously saw Tatum work out in Los Angeles, but Monday was the first time Tatum visited the Celtics.

A source familiar with Tatum's solo workout said he impressed with his shot-making and footwork in the drills he participated in.

Boston is also strongly considering Kansas freshman Josh Jackson, sources told ESPN. Celtics general manager Danny Ainge told the Boston Globe that he was trying to get both Jackson and UCLA prospect Lonzo Ball to work out for his team before Thursday's draft.

[trickybilly]

Happy with Tatum now... High ceiling, high floor

Crowder straight up for another big seams the move to get him minutes

[byennie]

Lonzo has so many question marks from fit to family to shooting form to creating his own shot... but you gotta admit that shot chart is practically a chapter from Moneyball. 75% at the rim, 40% from 3PT and nothing in between. Feels like one of those players where people still won't agree about his value 5 years from now.

[mr. dee]

Lonzo has so many question marks from fit to family to shooting form to creating his own shot... but you gotta admit that shot chart is practically a chapter from Moneyball. 75% at the rim, 40% from 3PT and nothing in between. Feels like one of those players where people still won't agree about his value 5 years from now.

A Warriors-like lineup of Crowder-Hayward-Tatum-Brown could be real plausible. My only real concern is Crowder's willingness to take lesser role and his dogging on defense. He's gone for good if he pouts again like in the Hayward fiasco.

[KG Living Legend]

1) I think the discrepancy here can largely be attributed to the types of shots being taken. Tatum seems to have taken many more of his shots out of isolation; whereas, it seems almost all of Jackson's offense was in the fast break, penetration to the bucket, or on spot-up threes. We need Tatum's isolation/scoring abilities that we currently lack outside of IT much more than Jackson's raw athletici

But if he's shooting sub-40% in those situations, how does it help us?

What did Paul Pierce's shot chart look like after his freshman year?  It seems like Tatum was statistically better than Lil' Truth in almost every way, and Pierce played a significant role on a Kansas team that had a good bit of talent so it's not a crazy comparison.

It would be crazy to predict that Tatum will be anywhere nearly as good as Pierce, but crazy predictions are all you have with players this young and undeveloped.  I mean, many of the same draft reports that rave over Josh Jackson also acknowledge that his basketball skills kind of suck.  This is the age of analytics but Lonzo Ball could go #2 with possibly the most broken shot of any lottery pick EVER.  Philly fans are doing backflips over a player so brittle he has played less than half a season in the last three years and two "superstars" who couldn't even drag their teams to the NCAA tournament.

It's all about evaluation and development now and Ainge and Stevens have built a pretty good track record.

Mike

yup

Jayson Tatum

FG% .423 3PT% .306 FT% .855 REB 6.6 AST 2.0 PTS 16.8

Paul Pierce Freshman year at Kansas

FG% .419 3PT% .304 FT% .606 REB 6.6 AST 1.8 PTS 11.9

 Your Tatum stats are way off.

 Tatum fg% .452. 3point % .342%