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Re: This is why ESPN sucks
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2017, 03:11:50 PM »

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The only thing ESPN has better than TNT is Hubie Brown. Period. Kenny like the other posters said is very pro Celtics. He said he would love to play for our Coach. He puts his players in places they will succeed.
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Re: This is why ESPN sucks
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2017, 03:15:43 PM »

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I don't even see why they had First Take today with the entire crew out (Max, Molly, SAS).

Just cancel it for just today. I cringed watching part of it today. Just doesn't feel the same.

Anyways, I'm honestly pretty glad this whole series is on TNT. MUCH BETTER than ESPN.

Kenny gives the C's love, and Shaq also gives the Celtics credit when they deserve it. Charles looks like a funny dude, but he clearly hates the Celtics, but he's the only one for the most part.

And seriously ESPN, why is Doris Burke allowed to commentate a playoff game. Good lord she should have just put her Wizards shirt on Game 3... That was the WORST coverage ever for a Celtics game on ESPN imo.
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Re: This is why ESPN sucks
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2017, 03:18:53 PM »

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Wall was the most decorated player in the series, if not the best, and he failed miserably in the 4th quarter of a game in which his team was eliminated and in the game until the 4th.  After a lower round series, the talk is often on the losing team immediately before spending the next couple of days talking about the series and then the next week + analyzing the series.

Agreed, they will have plenty of time to discuss the Celtics.

The day after a series ends is the most relevant time to discuss the future of the team that lost.
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Re: This is why ESPN sucks
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2017, 03:43:07 PM »

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Wall was the most decorated player in the series, if not the best, and he failed miserably in the 4th quarter of a game in which his team was eliminated and in the game until the 4th.

Wall has done nothing in the NBA.  I just checked and he is not among the top 15 best selling jerseys this season, but IT is, and the Wizards are not among the top 10 most popular for team merchandise, and Boston is.  Washington is the #9 TV market.  Boston is #7.

And just to be clear, the problem is not that they favor Washington over Boston.  The problem is that the ESPN can't just cover the games.  They have to invent these narratives that dictate how everything is presented on TV.  The narrative this time was how this was John Wall's time and he had to rise up and blah, blah, blah.  I mean, the Celtics were actually favored to win the game but I sure didn't get that impression from watching ESPN.

It's like back when the KG team won the title and just about EVERYONE on ESPN picked the Lakers.  Boston had 66 wins to LA's 57 and on metric after metric were the better team, but ESPN had decided that the narrative was about Kobe finally reaching Jordan's level and that was all they could focus on.

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Re: This is why ESPN sucks
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2017, 03:52:57 PM »

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Wall was the most decorated player in the series, if not the best, and he failed miserably in the 4th quarter of a game in which his team was eliminated and in the game until the 4th.  After a lower round series, the talk is often on the losing team immediately before spending the next couple of days talking about the series and then the next week + analyzing the series.

Agreed, they will have plenty of time to discuss the Celtics.

The day after a series ends is the most relevant time to discuss the future of the team that lost.

It's a two hour show and they chose to lead with "John Wall's legacy."  They didn't do it in the 2nd segment or the 4th or the 6th.  They chose to lead their show the day after a great game 7 NOT by talking about the team that won, which is full of great stories and has one of the bigger national fan bases in the league, but about the "legacy" of a 26-year-old guy who has done NOTHING in the league and plays for a team that hasn't won 50 games in a season since they were the Bullets back in the 1970s.

I mean, does anyone think that if the Wizards won last night, the first thing they talked about on First Take this morning would have been the Celtics?

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Re: This is why ESPN sucks
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2017, 04:02:26 PM »

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Re: This is why ESPN sucks
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2017, 04:09:24 PM »

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So I turn on First Take (forgive me) and what is the first topic?  Not the Celtics and their great victory.  The subject is "What did this game do to Wall's legacy?"

WHAT?!?!?!

Mike

Typical.  Just further hammers in what IT and the team has said, which is that we are viewed as the underdogs and almost lucky to be there.  We will keep proving them wrong.

For what it's worth, Kenny Smith seems to consistently praise us and like us on TNT.  We get a lot of good analysis and coverage from him.

Yeah, I agree.   He's been careful to word things cautiously, but he's one of the few to give some legit respect to the Cs.
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Re: This is why ESPN sucks
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2017, 04:10:40 PM »

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Yeah, I don't know why I even watch it any more. All of the basketball analysis is so subpar and "hot takey" that it's worthless.

I'm not sure what the worst show is, though. Sportsnation is pretty terrible (I can't stand Marcellus), and Highly Questionable and Around the Horn are pretty bad, too. The only one I actually really like is PTI. Wilbon has always been a favorite of mine, though I'm sure it's because he's always been pretty fair to the C's.
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Re: This is why ESPN sucks
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2017, 04:11:55 PM »

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They have got away from legit sports reporters and went the way of the controversial talking head.   People are sick of their gimmick.  They cut down on their staff  firing a guy like Mark Stein and keeping talking controversial head, Stephen A. Smith.   They keep Super Duke Fan Jay Bilas and can Andy Katz.   Hint, they are sticking with guys who blow a ton of hot air and are biases over guys who try to report.

They have not been good for years, folks.   Live without them, its liberating and your not losing grey matter anymore from listening to them.   I feel this way after watching them:

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

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Re: This is why ESPN sucks
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2017, 04:20:27 PM »

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To be fair, the show was probably locked in on the topic after Wall's game 6 performance.

I was going to mention this yesterday, but did not want to jinx anything. Going into the game last night, I was hoping that winning game 6 on their home court would have been Washington's "victory" in this series. I had the impression that they were more concerned about not losing at home, than winning the series. It was almost as if Wall was satisfied with his game 6 winning shot. At one point in the fourth quarter, I was wondering why Wall wasn't playing, but then it occurred to me that he was on the floor the whole time. Yes, it was the Beal show in the fourth, but Wall may as well have been on the bench.

He and Beal were completely worn out at the end. I don't know the exact numbers but they logged a staggering amount of court time in the series. You're hard pressed to recall a time when they weren't out there, either separately or together. As you mention, it may have taken a greater toll on Wall. Brooks didn't have much of a choice, though. The Wiz aren't very good when they are not on the floor, either separately or together.

They were panning the Wiz bench during a timeout in the fourth last night. It was obvious how exhausted they both were, just tapped out. You could see it in their faces. I almost felt sorry for them. The outcome was still somewhat in doubt. That's when I knew the Cs were moving on.

Terrific players, both of them, obviously. They're not underpaid, but they are surely overworked.

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I hear the "Wall was gassed" reasoning, but let's break it down.  I saw a tweet saying he was 0-11 over his entire last 19 minutes on the floor.

He played a total of 44 minutes.   Was he 'gassed' starting at his 25th minute in the game?

Meanwhile, Thomas, who played 39 minutes, seemed to (as is typical) just get stronger and stronger late in the game.  He scored 5 points and dished out 4 assists in that final frame, keeping the Beast that is Dirty Olynyk(tm) fed.   

For the series, Wall averaged 39.2 mpg while Thomas averaged 36.6.

That's not exactly a massive difference.

Ultimately, this series played out just like so many games between Thomas and Wall over their careers:  Thomas' overall out-played Wall and his team won.   Thomas is now 16-6 against Wall over their careers, spanning all the way back to when Thomas was with SAC.
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Re: This is why ESPN sucks
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2017, 04:23:09 PM »

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Wall was the most decorated player in the series, if not the best, and he failed miserably in the 4th quarter of a game in which his team was eliminated and in the game until the 4th.

Wall has done nothing in the NBA.  I just checked and he is not among the top 15 best selling jerseys this season, but IT is, and the Wizards are not among the top 10 most popular for team merchandise, and Boston is.  Washington is the #9 TV market.  Boston is #7.

And just to be clear, the problem is not that they favor Washington over Boston.  The problem is that the ESPN can't just cover the games.  They have to invent these narratives that dictate how everything is presented on TV.  The narrative this time was how this was John Wall's time and he had to rise up and blah, blah, blah.  I mean, the Celtics were actually favored to win the game but I sure didn't get that impression from watching ESPN.

It's like back when the KG team won the title and just about EVERYONE on ESPN picked the Lakers.  Boston had 66 wins to LA's 57 and on metric after metric were the better team, but ESPN had decided that the narrative was about Kobe finally reaching Jordan's level and that was all they could focus on.

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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2017, 07:28:47 PM »

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So I turn on First Take (forgive me) and what is the first topic?  Not the Celtics and their great victory.  The subject is "What did this game do to Wall's legacy?"

WHAT?!?!?!

Mike

This is the day and age we live in for sports media. Listening to NBA radio on SiriusXM last night that's all they wanted to talk about as well. Basically blaming Wall for the Wizards losing, while not giving the C's much credit at all. Wall had a great series all things considered. He basically won them Game 6. C's just had too much depth and the Wizards had none.

Re: This is why ESPN sucks
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2017, 07:39:10 PM »

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When a popular team or player's season ends their story also ends. The tendency is to spend a day or two putting a bow on the story and discussing the future.

The sports media knows they'll be talking about us for at least another couple of weeks, so they're not in a rush to push a ton of stories. The biggest Game 7 story being Olynyk also doesn't help with coverage.

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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2017, 08:22:30 PM »

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I never watch ESPN anymore unless they have a NFL game on or Celtics are on there..Mike & Mike is the only show I watch when I'm off work..now they splitting them up...
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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2017, 08:40:43 PM »

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And here we go with ESPN's dumb coverage...  ::)
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