John Wall is named NBA Eastern Conference player of the month over IT4

[saltlover]

Wall
24.5 p, 10.7 a, 4.4 r, 2.7 s, 0.5 b, 1.9 f, 4.3 t, 37.1 m - 53.8/30.4/81.4

Thomas
30.3 p, 5.9 a, 2.4 r, 1.0 s, 0.1 b, 2.3 f, 2.3 t, 33. 8 m - 55.3/38.7/92.9

So Thomas was the better shooter with more shots and turned it over less, but Wall was better in every other facet of the game and because he was so much better in assists (and rebounds) he was responsible for far more team points scored.  Pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod.

You are so ridiculous. Wall averaged almost twice as many turnovers as IT. This is huge from a point guard and not something you can just gloss over. IT shot better from the 2, 3 and the line with a very big difference from 3. Thomas also averaged 6 more points in 3 less minutes. Wall deserves some credit for his very impressive steals, but his increased assists are really offset by his pretty awful 4.3 turnovers a game. Wall probably got this because IT missed some time.

However your take on this, like almost any other topic, is decidely grass is always greener. No one can say with a straight face it is "pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod." Maybe you could make a new years resolution to be less absurdly contrarian?

Assuming turnovers are worth -1.5 points and steals are worth 1.5 points.  Assume rebounds are worth 1, blocks 1.5, and assists 2 (even though that is the minimum).  Then adjust for minutes and Wall contributed 1.31 points per minute while Thomas contributed 1.26 points per minute.  Thomas was more efficient in his own shooting, but has worse teammates he is passing to (overall). 

Washington was 10-5 in December.  Boston was 9-3 in the games Thomas played.  So Boston had a better win percentage, but Thomas has better teammates, which tends to help.

Wall is also a better defender. per minute production is valuable, but the guy who plays more minutes does deserve more credit.

They are close, but looking at the stat lines Im picking Wall with a decent amount of confidence. Terrific months from both players.

John Wall is not a better defender.  He should be, but he is not.  He's terrible against the P&R, and IT will expose him yet again next week.

I dont watch a ton of John Wall so I have to go based on physical tools and stats.

Wall is obviously built to be a terrific defender, while Isaiah should fail. Wall puts up way more steals, has a better DBPM, DWS, and Drtg than Thomas and is ranked higher in DRPM.

Its hard to quantify defensive impact, but Wall rates better than Isaiah in just about every metric and he has far superior physical tools.

Im taking Wall as the superior defender.

I live in DC and watch his games because they're on.  He is not a better defender.  He gambles a lot and gets steals, which makes his box score look good, but that's not the same as playing good defense.

[tankcity!]

Wall
24.5 p, 10.7 a, 4.4 r, 2.7 s, 0.5 b, 1.9 f, 4.3 t, 37.1 m - 53.8/30.4/81.4

Thomas
30.3 p, 5.9 a, 2.4 r, 1.0 s, 0.1 b, 2.3 f, 2.3 t, 33. 8 m - 55.3/38.7/92.9

So Thomas was the better shooter with more shots and turned it over less, but Wall was better in every other facet of the game and because he was so much better in assists (and rebounds) he was responsible for far more team points scored.  Pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod.

You are so ridiculous. Wall averaged almost twice as many turnovers as IT. This is huge from a point guard and not something you can just gloss over. IT shot better from the 2, 3 and the line with a very big difference from 3. Thomas also averaged 6 more points in 3 less minutes. Wall deserves some credit for his very impressive steals, but his increased assists are really offset by his pretty awful 4.3 turnovers a game. Wall probably got this because IT missed some time.

However your take on this, like almost any other topic, is decidely grass is always greener. No one can say with a straight face it is "pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod." Maybe you could make a new years resolution to be less absurdly contrarian?

Thank you Clay. You stated the emotions I wanted to say. TP.

[tazzmaniac]

From a statistical standpoint, I'd say Giannis has a really good argument for player of the month.  He is certainly a better defender than both Thomas and Wall.  I'd assume the Bucks only going .500 for the month held him back. 

35.3 m  24.8 p,  9.3 r, 5.9 a, 1.8 b, 1.9 s, 3.3 f, 2.3 t  .547/.366/.794   

[Tr1boy]

From a statistical standpoint, I'd say Giannis has a really good argument for player of the month.  He is certainly a better defender than both Thomas and Wall.  I'd assume the Bucks only going .500 for the month held him back. 

35.3 m  24.8 p,  9.3 r, 5.9 a, 1.8 b, 1.9 s, 3.3 f, 2.3 t  .547/.366/.794   

Yes i agree

Bucks have alot of talent but team is pure mediocre

Once middleton is back ..should help them

Rozier would be a solid fit for them... But not sure what we could pry in return

[celticsclay]

Wall
24.5 p, 10.7 a, 4.4 r, 2.7 s, 0.5 b, 1.9 f, 4.3 t, 37.1 m - 53.8/30.4/81.4

Thomas
30.3 p, 5.9 a, 2.4 r, 1.0 s, 0.1 b, 2.3 f, 2.3 t, 33. 8 m - 55.3/38.7/92.9

So Thomas was the better shooter with more shots and turned it over less, but Wall was better in every other facet of the game and because he was so much better in assists (and rebounds) he was responsible for far more team points scored.  Pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod.

You are so ridiculous. Wall averaged almost twice as many turnovers as IT. This is huge from a point guard and not something you can just gloss over. IT shot better from the 2, 3 and the line with a very big difference from 3. Thomas also averaged 6 more points in 3 less minutes. Wall deserves some credit for his very impressive steals, but his increased assists are really offset by his pretty awful 4.3 turnovers a game. Wall probably got this because IT missed some time.

However your take on this, like almost any other topic, is decidely grass is always greener. No one can say with a straight face it is "pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod." Maybe you could make a new years resolution to be less absurdly contrarian?

Assuming turnovers are worth -1.5 points and steals are worth 1.5 points.  Assume rebounds are worth 1, blocks 1.5, and assists 2 (even though that is the minimum).  Then adjust for minutes and Wall contributed 1.31 points per minute while Thomas contributed 1.26 points per minute.  Thomas was more efficient in his own shooting, but has worse teammates he is passing to (overall). 

Washington was 10-5 in December.  Boston was 9-3 in the games Thomas played.  So Boston had a better win percentage, but Thomas has better teammates, which tends to help.

Even in your little comparison, which curiously omits shooting percentages (and am unclear why steals are worth the same as turnovers, as other posters have mentioned his high volume of going for steals makes him a worse defender), Thomas and Brown have a very similar points per minute with Thomas having a better record. How does that equal being "easy to see why wall won the award." At worst it is close to a tie and a very difficult decision. You want to take back your initial comment since even your own numbers don't support it?

I really for the life of me don't understand why you constantly have bias against our own players and ignore the negative and promote positives of other players.

[tankcity!]

Wall
24.5 p, 10.7 a, 4.4 r, 2.7 s, 0.5 b, 1.9 f, 4.3 t, 37.1 m - 53.8/30.4/81.4

Thomas
30.3 p, 5.9 a, 2.4 r, 1.0 s, 0.1 b, 2.3 f, 2.3 t, 33. 8 m - 55.3/38.7/92.9

So Thomas was the better shooter with more shots and turned it over less, but Wall was better in every other facet of the game and because he was so much better in assists (and rebounds) he was responsible for far more team points scored.  Pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod.

You are so ridiculous. Wall averaged almost twice as many turnovers as IT. This is huge from a point guard and not something you can just gloss over. IT shot better from the 2, 3 and the line with a very big difference from 3. Thomas also averaged 6 more points in 3 less minutes. Wall deserves some credit for his very impressive steals, but his increased assists are really offset by his pretty awful 4.3 turnovers a game. Wall probably got this because IT missed some time.

However your take on this, like almost any other topic, is decidely grass is always greener. No one can say with a straight face it is "pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod." Maybe you could make a new years resolution to be less absurdly contrarian?

Assuming turnovers are worth -1.5 points and steals are worth 1.5 points.  Assume rebounds are worth 1, blocks 1.5, and assists 2 (even though that is the minimum).  Then adjust for minutes and Wall contributed 1.31 points per minute while Thomas contributed 1.26 points per minute.  Thomas was more efficient in his own shooting, but has worse teammates he is passing to (overall). 

Washington was 10-5 in December.  Boston was 9-3 in the games Thomas played.  So Boston had a better win percentage, but Thomas has better teammates, which tends to help.

Even in your little comparison, which curiously omits shooting percentages (and am unclear why steals are worth the same as turnovers, as other posters have mentioned his high volume of going for steals makes him a worse defender), Thomas and Brown have a very similar points per minute with Thomas having a better record. How does that equal being "easy to see why wall won the award." At worst it is close to a tie and a very difficult decision. You want to take back your initial comment since even your own numbers don't support it?

I really for the life of me don't understand why you constantly have bias against our own players and ignore the negative and promote positives of other players.

I think Wall has more talent, but he has admitted to being lazy in the offseason. Makes sense why his shot isn't great. Have you seen his beef with Beal? He is a garbage leader as well.

When you get in the playoffs, you need people who can shoot. In this era, good teams will back off Wall and make him a shooter. He has the talent to be a great player, but he probably won't put it together because of his mindset.

Also, the stats do indeed back up Thomas.

[celticsclay]

Wall
24.5 p, 10.7 a, 4.4 r, 2.7 s, 0.5 b, 1.9 f, 4.3 t, 37.1 m - 53.8/30.4/81.4

Thomas
30.3 p, 5.9 a, 2.4 r, 1.0 s, 0.1 b, 2.3 f, 2.3 t, 33. 8 m - 55.3/38.7/92.9

So Thomas was the better shooter with more shots and turned it over less, but Wall was better in every other facet of the game and because he was so much better in assists (and rebounds) he was responsible for far more team points scored.  Pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod.

You are so ridiculous. Wall averaged almost twice as many turnovers as IT. This is huge from a point guard and not something you can just gloss over. IT shot better from the 2, 3 and the line with a very big difference from 3. Thomas also averaged 6 more points in 3 less minutes. Wall deserves some credit for his very impressive steals, but his increased assists are really offset by his pretty awful 4.3 turnovers a game. Wall probably got this because IT missed some time.

However your take on this, like almost any other topic, is decidely grass is always greener. No one can say with a straight face it is "pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod." Maybe you could make a new years resolution to be less absurdly contrarian?

Assuming turnovers are worth -1.5 points and steals are worth 1.5 points.  Assume rebounds are worth 1, blocks 1.5, and assists 2 (even though that is the minimum).  Then adjust for minutes and Wall contributed 1.31 points per minute while Thomas contributed 1.26 points per minute.  Thomas was more efficient in his own shooting, but has worse teammates he is passing to (overall). 

Washington was 10-5 in December.  Boston was 9-3 in the games Thomas played.  So Boston had a better win percentage, but Thomas has better teammates, which tends to help.

Even in your little comparison, which curiously omits shooting percentages (and am unclear why steals are worth the same as turnovers, as other posters have mentioned his high volume of going for steals makes him a worse defender), Thomas and Brown have a very similar points per minute with Thomas having a better record. How does that equal being "easy to see why wall won the award." At worst it is close to a tie and a very difficult decision. You want to take back your initial comment since even your own numbers don't support it?

I really for the life of me don't understand why you constantly have bias against our own players and ignore the negative and promote positives of other players.

I think Wall has more talent, but he has admitted to being lazy in the offseason. Makes sense why his shot isn't great. Have you seen his beef with Beal? He is a garbage leader as well.

When you get in the playoffs, you need people who can shoot. In this era, good teams will back off Wall and make him a shooter. He has the talent to be a great player, but he probably won't put it together because of his mindset.

Also, the stats do indeed back up Thomas.

Yea I get the natural instinct is to go for the guy that has been an all-star a ton of times, was the number one overall pick and has standard NBA size for a point guard. On the flip side, the results for Thomas speak for themselves. It is kind of funny watching people try to twist numbers to make it look like Wall is still clearly superior. 

[byennie]

Meh. Thomas was certainly deserving with his efficiency, but this has always been a raw numbers award.

25/11/4/3 over 30/6/2/1 shouldn't surprise anyone too much, even if there's a good argument around turnovers & scoring efficiency. It's not like Wall shot 40%, and whether he maximizes his talent or not, he IS the better defender. Not just by steals, but by every advanced metric as well. He also played 3 more games.

Giannis was mentioned. LeBron had his usual 28/8/8 with superior defense to IT. Out west, Harden put up a ridiculous month.

Let's hope he has another huge month, and maybe he'll win the next one.

[showtime]

 IT deserved the award. Not only is he more valuable to his team, he's just a better player then Wall!! I believe those 3 games he missed did him in.

[Denis998]

Isaiah is 2nd/3rd (if you include Harden) in PER and Value Added. (of point guards)
http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg

[bopna]

IT should have won it period.
All arguments between both players are moot .
The real fact of the matter is John Wall is an adequately sized PG who did those stats was really no big deal..Lebrick had better numbers across the board and they didnt give it to him...How on earth did the league missed that a dimunitive PG not even the size of an average american not get the nod...
Where else in the world will they find a 5'9 player did what IT did in actual competitive NBA competition...the NBA should be ashamed of themselves.

[Moranis]

Wall
24.5 p, 10.7 a, 4.4 r, 2.7 s, 0.5 b, 1.9 f, 4.3 t, 37.1 m - 53.8/30.4/81.4

Thomas
30.3 p, 5.9 a, 2.4 r, 1.0 s, 0.1 b, 2.3 f, 2.3 t, 33. 8 m - 55.3/38.7/92.9

So Thomas was the better shooter with more shots and turned it over less, but Wall was better in every other facet of the game and because he was so much better in assists (and rebounds) he was responsible for far more team points scored.  Pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod.

You are so ridiculous. Wall averaged almost twice as many turnovers as IT. This is huge from a point guard and not something you can just gloss over. IT shot better from the 2, 3 and the line with a very big difference from 3. Thomas also averaged 6 more points in 3 less minutes. Wall deserves some credit for his very impressive steals, but his increased assists are really offset by his pretty awful 4.3 turnovers a game. Wall probably got this because IT missed some time.

However your take on this, like almost any other topic, is decidely grass is always greener. No one can say with a straight face it is "pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod." Maybe you could make a new years resolution to be less absurdly contrarian?

Assuming turnovers are worth -1.5 points and steals are worth 1.5 points.  Assume rebounds are worth 1, blocks 1.5, and assists 2 (even though that is the minimum).  Then adjust for minutes and Wall contributed 1.31 points per minute while Thomas contributed 1.26 points per minute.  Thomas was more efficient in his own shooting, but has worse teammates he is passing to (overall). 

Washington was 10-5 in December.  Boston was 9-3 in the games Thomas played.  So Boston had a better win percentage, but Thomas has better teammates, which tends to help.

Even in your little comparison, which curiously omits shooting percentages (and am unclear why steals are worth the same as turnovers, as other posters have mentioned his high volume of going for steals makes him a worse defender), Thomas and Brown have a very similar points per minute with Thomas having a better record. How does that equal being "easy to see why wall won the award." At worst it is close to a tie and a very difficult decision. You want to take back your initial comment since even your own numbers don't support it?

I really for the life of me don't understand why you constantly have bias against our own players and ignore the negative and promote positives of other players.

a turnover loses a possession a steal creates a possession.  The assist number I used was low as the minimum points an assist yields is 2.  I believe the real average is something like 2.4 points.  Rebounds are also likely worth more than 1 point as they create a possession for your team.  If you use those bigger numbers the gap between Wall and Thomas gets even larger. 

Wall shot 54% from 2 and 31% from three.  It wasn't like he was shooting Iverson level numbers.  He wasn't as efficient as Thomas who is a better shooter, but Wall contributed far more to the box score than Thomas did.  It is a pretty easy call to select Wall over Thomas especially when the Wizards were 10-5 in the month i.e. they were winning.

[Somebody]

Meh the celtics had a better winning percentage with IT 4 and he had comparable stats, let's face the fact that these awards are popularity contests and not a true measurement of level of play;hope this motivates our team and we get deep into the playoffs to leave a message for the casual fans out there

[celticsclay]

Wall
24.5 p, 10.7 a, 4.4 r, 2.7 s, 0.5 b, 1.9 f, 4.3 t, 37.1 m - 53.8/30.4/81.4

Thomas
30.3 p, 5.9 a, 2.4 r, 1.0 s, 0.1 b, 2.3 f, 2.3 t, 33. 8 m - 55.3/38.7/92.9

So Thomas was the better shooter with more shots and turned it over less, but Wall was better in every other facet of the game and because he was so much better in assists (and rebounds) he was responsible for far more team points scored.  Pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod.

You are so ridiculous. Wall averaged almost twice as many turnovers as IT. This is huge from a point guard and not something you can just gloss over. IT shot better from the 2, 3 and the line with a very big difference from 3. Thomas also averaged 6 more points in 3 less minutes. Wall deserves some credit for his very impressive steals, but his increased assists are really offset by his pretty awful 4.3 turnovers a game. Wall probably got this because IT missed some time.

However your take on this, like almost any other topic, is decidely grass is always greener. No one can say with a straight face it is "pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod." Maybe you could make a new years resolution to be less absurdly contrarian?

Assuming turnovers are worth -1.5 points and steals are worth 1.5 points.  Assume rebounds are worth 1, blocks 1.5, and assists 2 (even though that is the minimum).  Then adjust for minutes and Wall contributed 1.31 points per minute while Thomas contributed 1.26 points per minute.  Thomas was more efficient in his own shooting, but has worse teammates he is passing to (overall). 

Washington was 10-5 in December.  Boston was 9-3 in the games Thomas played.  So Boston had a better win percentage, but Thomas has better teammates, which tends to help.

Even in your little comparison, which curiously omits shooting percentages (and am unclear why steals are worth the same as turnovers, as other posters have mentioned his high volume of going for steals makes him a worse defender), Thomas and Brown have a very similar points per minute with Thomas having a better record. How does that equal being "easy to see why wall won the award." At worst it is close to a tie and a very difficult decision. You want to take back your initial comment since even your own numbers don't support it?

I really for the life of me don't understand why you constantly have bias against our own players and ignore the negative and promote positives of other players.

a turnover loses a possession a steal creates a possession.  The assist number I used was low as the minimum points an assist yields is 2.  I believe the real average is something like 2.4 points.  Rebounds are also likely worth more than 1 point as they create a possession for your team.  If you use those bigger numbers the gap between Wall and Thomas gets even larger. 

Wall shot 54% from 2 and 31% from three.  It wasn't like he was shooting Iverson level numbers.  He wasn't as efficient as Thomas who is a better shooter, but Wall contributed far more to the box score than Thomas did.  It is a pretty easy call to select Wall over Thomas especially when the Wizards were 10-5 in the month i.e. they were winning.

whatever you say boss. You constantly verge on caricature of yourself on this blog.

[Moranis]

Wall
24.5 p, 10.7 a, 4.4 r, 2.7 s, 0.5 b, 1.9 f, 4.3 t, 37.1 m - 53.8/30.4/81.4

Thomas
30.3 p, 5.9 a, 2.4 r, 1.0 s, 0.1 b, 2.3 f, 2.3 t, 33. 8 m - 55.3/38.7/92.9

So Thomas was the better shooter with more shots and turned it over less, but Wall was better in every other facet of the game and because he was so much better in assists (and rebounds) he was responsible for far more team points scored.  Pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod.

You are so ridiculous. Wall averaged almost twice as many turnovers as IT. This is huge from a point guard and not something you can just gloss over. IT shot better from the 2, 3 and the line with a very big difference from 3. Thomas also averaged 6 more points in 3 less minutes. Wall deserves some credit for his very impressive steals, but his increased assists are really offset by his pretty awful 4.3 turnovers a game. Wall probably got this because IT missed some time.

However your take on this, like almost any other topic, is decidely grass is always greener. No one can say with a straight face it is "pretty easy to see why Wall got the nod." Maybe you could make a new years resolution to be less absurdly contrarian?

Assuming turnovers are worth -1.5 points and steals are worth 1.5 points.  Assume rebounds are worth 1, blocks 1.5, and assists 2 (even though that is the minimum).  Then adjust for minutes and Wall contributed 1.31 points per minute while Thomas contributed 1.26 points per minute.  Thomas was more efficient in his own shooting, but has worse teammates he is passing to (overall). 

Washington was 10-5 in December.  Boston was 9-3 in the games Thomas played.  So Boston had a better win percentage, but Thomas has better teammates, which tends to help.

Even in your little comparison, which curiously omits shooting percentages (and am unclear why steals are worth the same as turnovers, as other posters have mentioned his high volume of going for steals makes him a worse defender), Thomas and Brown have a very similar points per minute with Thomas having a better record. How does that equal being "easy to see why wall won the award." At worst it is close to a tie and a very difficult decision. You want to take back your initial comment since even your own numbers don't support it?

I really for the life of me don't understand why you constantly have bias against our own players and ignore the negative and promote positives of other players.

a turnover loses a possession a steal creates a possession.  The assist number I used was low as the minimum points an assist yields is 2.  I believe the real average is something like 2.4 points.  Rebounds are also likely worth more than 1 point as they create a possession for your team.  If you use those bigger numbers the gap between Wall and Thomas gets even larger. 

Wall shot 54% from 2 and 31% from three.  It wasn't like he was shooting Iverson level numbers.  He wasn't as efficient as Thomas who is a better shooter, but Wall contributed far more to the box score than Thomas did.  It is a pretty easy call to select Wall over Thomas especially when the Wizards were 10-5 in the month i.e. they were winning.

whatever you say boss. You constantly verge on caricature of yourself on this blog.

The media seems to agree with me.  Unless you think they are all wrong as well.  Wall was the better choice for player of the month.  He had better overall stats, played more games, and played more minutes.  It was not a difficult choice between those two.  Now if you wanted to argue for Giannis or someone else instead of Wall that is a different discussion.