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Re: The Boston Celtics should currently be ranked #1 for future rankings
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2016, 07:59:37 PM »

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So, I assume the implication here is that by showing a graphic demonstrating this current Celtics roster is the most prolific three-point shooting team in team history somehow makes them "soft"?

I mean, that's totally asinine, but highly comical.  So, thanks for the good laugh, I can always count on you to post complete nonsense that has me falling out of my chair.  TP!

Re: The Boston Celtics should currently be ranked #1 for future rankings
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2016, 01:09:38 AM »

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I don't like the team taking so many threes either, unless they start hitting them at a better rate. It really doesn't have much to do with the Celtics' future rank.

Olynyk continues to fail the eye test. I think he is in a slump, but he better be careful with those. Some games he looks out of it. Other games he looks like a top five pick. Olynyk remains an incomplete grade moving forward.

Olynyk should be well past fighting to get rotation minutes. He should be angling to start next year when Amir's contract runs out. Some like Jerebko, but I don't think he's that great of an asset. He's solid.

The current Celtics' high future ranking I give them is based on Horford, Crowder, Isaiah, Bradley, Brown, Smart and two more potential top five picks.

The Celtics bubble future but still assets iclude Rozier, Olynyk, Jerebko and Amir.

Other potential future bubble assets are Zizac, Yabusele, Nader, Jackson and possibly the Memphis pick.

The way Danny has set up the roster with contracts bodes well for the future. He can still make trades, sign free agents and draft a superstar or two stars.

Any tall rim protector looking for a job might want to join the Celtics. In 2008 we added PJ Brown. Maybe we will be adding someone special very soon.

I don't think Zeller, Young and Green are assets. Unfortunately, Green is too old to expect an Evan Turner kind of growth. And we lost him anyway. Not that he is doing much for Portland or that he was any great asset to keep or worry about.

If we win tomorrow against the Knicks, the loss to Oklahoma will be forgotten.

Re: The Boston Celtics should currently be ranked #1 for future rankings
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2016, 08:30:11 AM »

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Thanks for the info on the actual future power rankings. I'd rather look at it as a more generic phrase. If it's not about the future in regards to say three or more years, then I suppose Cleveland and Golden State should dominate it until they slip back towards the second tier.

It's all about Danny Ainge and how he set us up for flexibility moving forward.

http://en.hispanosnba.com/salaries/teams/boston-celtics

Players that can simply be allowed to walk after this year:
Olynyk
Zeller
Young
Amir
Jerebko
Jackson
Green
Mickey

Players locked up for four years including this one:
Horford
Crowder
Jaylen Brown

Players with only two years left:
Thomas
Bradley
Smart
Rozier

Rozier can be retained a third year by team option and I am assuming Brown is retained in years three and four by team option.

Yabusele, Zizac and Nader look promising, but there are never any guarantees they can transform potential or good play in inferior leagues to the NBA.

The Brooklyn picks are where the gold is found for our future.

We'll either get another star through Danny trades or he will ride this out and keep rolling the Brooklyn dice.

Minnesota seems to be good for a futures team, but they are missing the good to very good developed pros already on the Celtics.

Orlando and Milwaukee for a number of years have looked promising, but they still haven't made any leaps from looking at the standings.

Toronto is our big brother and are currently still bullying us. But they are possibly looking at an eventual treadmill if they can't snag a big free agent to go with their few established stars. The Clippers have been stacked with stars for years and we are still waiting for them to get even a small whiff of a title opportunity.

The NBA has been flipped for roster trends over the past decades. Players used to stay on the same teams for a lot longer.

Now the trend seems to be to retain a couple stars and make them feel comfortable while finding economic pieces to fit around them.

We basically need great future years out of Crowder, Horford and Brown. We need Danny to make good decisions in regards to Olynyk next off-season and then the one after that with Bradley, Thomas and Smart on slate for decisions.

As fans we are helpless. We can hope for fireworks or be patient for development. We can form opinions on who we want to keep, cut or trade, but that's about it. And we all know the old saying on opinions.

No matter what happens this year, Danny will be looking at another top draft pick to select and the room to add another very good to great free agent.

The only treadmill we are on is one of uncertainty. That is the character of the new NBA with crapshoot drafts, persistent injuries and salary caps limiting lengths of contracts.

Jaylen Brown doesn't look like a crapshoot. It would help if he could make the leap out of the rookie deer eyes phase going into next year. Then we'd have a good to great player at cheap Isaiah type money for three more years.

A lot has to go right for Danny to set us up to win title #18. However, I think for us to become a contender nipping at the great teams won't take much more than Danny rolling out of bed.
CP2016, this should have been your original post. Thanks for the hard work you do to make your posts thoughtful and interesting. 

Re: The Boston Celtics should currently be ranked #1 for future rankings
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2016, 12:27:23 PM »

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CP2016, this should have been your original post. Thanks for the hard work you do to make your posts thoughtful and interesting.

Thanks, that was very kind of you to say. I am the type who tends to go on nonstop rants. So I try to start a new thread or dump the rants on a quiet thread.

I saw the two away games and Oklahoma as a nice three game block to focus on. The Memphis game was outstanding. That win highlighted our team identity from last year.

Now it is Christmas and the Celtics are being watched by everyone in the country. It is another fresh start. We should win this one, period.

The only game coming up that scares me is Cleveland. We could upset them, but it is more likely we lose. I admit that. But it won't be Brooklyn playing Cleveland. We can beat them.

Doubts will persist until we advance in playoff rounds and then upset Cleveland or Toronto or put up a great fight.

Olynyk is scaring me lately. You want players that are dependable. Olynyk is currently in basketball purgatory. He is not a scrub, but he is not yet a dependable rotation player. His contract is up and things never stay the same, so he needs to start playing better if he feels comfy in Boston.

While I feel a bit sympathetic for guys like Zeller, Young and Green, the small part of me which is negative doesn't see a place for them long-term.

Brooklyn hit rock bottom the day I wrote the original post. For most of the year they have been in the fourth worst slot and we know that can end up anywhere from winning the lottery or dropping back to sixth or seventh, deeper into the crapshoot zone.

I see one last big phase until the break. We have the Cavs coming up which looks like a loss, but we also have seven extra home games after today. We've yet to play our home games and we've yet to have an extended period of health combined with an easy portion of the schedule.

Things could pick up tremendously in the next two months. Brooklyn will either stabilize and win some games diluting the pick or they will solidify we are looking at a top five pick. We should be able to solidify the third seed in this time. Maybe Larry Sanders signs with the Celtics. Maybe Amir and Olynyk snap out of early funks and we won't necessarily need Sanders or a trade for a big big.

Meanwhile we get to watch and appreciate guys in their prime who do not think like us and just play, like Isaiah, Avery, Crowder and Horford. I am going to roll my own dice and say I trust Jae and think he is good whether he takes further leaps or not.

I have fun rooting for young players like Smart, Olynyk and Brown and wonder how they will end up as players this year.

It's tough enough to worry about Rozier, so I don't think much about Zeller, Green, Young or Mickey. I think of Zizac a little bit. We need a center. Olynyk might be the most interesting player to follow, as was Sullinger last year. If Sully had gotten into shape and played like he did the first month, I think he would have been resigned. Danny had a tough decision to make with him and Evan Turner. Portland made the Turner decision easy. Sully putting on weight last year made that decision easier.

Unless Olynyk picks up the pace, he is not worth more money than Jerebko.

It could be a blessing Olynyk is still experiencing growing pains. It could be nothing and just a blip in his career. If he makes the leap this year like Turner did last year, some team like Portland will offer him $17 million/year or whatever Evan got.

I am willing to give up on Zeller as a rotation piece, but I am still leaving Kelly room to solidify a quality rotation niche.

Re: The Boston Celtics should currently be ranked #1 for future rankings
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2016, 12:38:54 PM »

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Boston most definitely should not be ranked #1 for future rankings
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Re: The Boston Celtics should currently be ranked #1 for future rankings
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2016, 01:33:01 PM »

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Boston most definitely should not be ranked #1 for future rankings

You make such a strong, well thought out argument that I'm forced to change my mind. The Celtics suck with no future. I was misguided wearing green goggles.

Sarcasm to the side, the last future rankings had us at #3 so bumping us up to #1 is not too far-fetched. We are true contenders for the top future ranking. That is my claim.

Maybe I'm correct if the ranking is based on three years from today. LeBron will be 34. However, Durant will only be 31, so maybe Golden State will own the league for quite a while like Michael Jordan did for rings.

I still like our chances.

Re: The Boston Celtics should currently be ranked #1 for future rankings
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2016, 01:38:18 PM »

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So, I assume the implication here is that by showing a graphic demonstrating this current Celtics roster is the most prolific three-point shooting team in team history somehow makes them "soft"?

I mean, that's totally asinine, but highly comical.  So, thanks for the good laugh, I can always count on you to post complete nonsense that has me falling out of my chair.  TP!
I guess you're kinda from the Toine school of basketball

Re: The Boston Celtics should currently be ranked #1 for future rankings
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2016, 01:53:10 PM »

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Re: The Boston Celtics should currently be ranked #1 for future rankings
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2016, 02:45:16 PM »

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Celtics win again.

Re: The Boston Celtics should currently be ranked #1 for future rankings
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2016, 03:00:36 PM »

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So, I assume the implication here is that by showing a graphic demonstrating this current Celtics roster is the most prolific three-point shooting team in team history somehow makes them "soft"?

I mean, that's totally asinine, but highly comical.  So, thanks for the good laugh, I can always count on you to post complete nonsense that has me falling out of my chair.  TP!
I guess you're kinda from the Toine school of basketball

The game is played a bit differently than when Toine was chucking threes.

Re: The Boston Celtics should currently be ranked #1 for future rankings
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2016, 03:28:32 PM »

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That was a solid win.

Three future players came through. Olynyk showed aggression on offense. Smart put together a complete two-way game. He shot 5-9, which is very solid and what he's capable of if he doesn't force it. We saw what almost happened with Isaiah forcing it at the end. No one should force anything. Perhaps most impressive with Smart was his 7 assists to one turnover.

Crowder was the third future guy who came through in the clutch.

So today could only have helped.

Slipping a bit at the end will keep us hungry.

We are 12-7 on the road. If we take care of business at home, we should be able to seal the third seed for keeps.

Gerald Green played decently. He is a form of Zeller. Brown is still too raw to be relied on every game. My thinking is Olynyk and Brown signify a high ceiling for hope and growth. Green and Zeller are the guys you go to when the other guys go deer in headlights.

Although in my opinion Zeller is a center who can't defend centers. He is for offense and serviceability. There does seem to be a small opening for a role for Green, but he will need to be consistent like he was against the Knicks.

The post-game lady said we are 12-4 with the desired starting lineup. My math says such a pace results in 61.5 wins. If that's not solid results for current players to go with Smart, Olynyk, Brown and two more Brooklyn picks for future dreaming, then fine, we are only ranked highly for future treadmills.  :-[

As for shooting a lot of threes, it is not softness. It is a strategy that most teams are now using. Brad Stevens is ahead of the curve. Pitino actually wanted to go with a full court press and a lot of threes. He never did it, but his idea of a team back then probably looked a bit like today's Celtics, but he lacked groceries and had too big of an ego to get it done. I don't recall Pitino as much of a Mr. Sunshine, so that's what made it so funny when he crucified the fan base for negativity.

Re: The Boston Celtics should currently be ranked #1 for future rankings
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2016, 03:35:51 PM »

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So, I assume the implication here is that by showing a graphic demonstrating this current Celtics roster is the most prolific three-point shooting team in team history somehow makes them "soft"?

I mean, that's totally asinine, but highly comical.  So, thanks for the good laugh, I can always count on you to post complete nonsense that has me falling out of my chair.  TP!
I guess you're kinda from the Toine school of basketball

The game is played a bit differently than when Toine was chucking threes.
Yes. Nowadays you can't play defense as closely making it even more important to take it to the rack and draw fouls.