Are the C's going to lose Nader and regret it?

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[Vermont Green]

At least 2 of Young, Hunter, Bentil, or somebody (Mickey and Jackson potentially) will have to go even if you stash Nader.  What I think the Celtics may regret is signing Zeller and Green.  None of these players mentioned are of high value but there is the potential that the younger players could turn into something down the road.  You know Green and Zeller are not going to turn into anything.  I remain puzzled by the signing of Green and Zeller.  Sure, a couple of veterans will help the team more than the rookies but how much.  Signing Zeller tells me they have no confidence in Mickey.  Signing Green tells me the same about Hunter and Young.  Bentil, Jackson, and Nader are all mid to late 2nd round picks so of course you don't expect much from them.

I know contracts matter but I would cut Hunter (he is the lowest cost of the guaranteed contracts) and I guess let Nader walk if he won't take the D-League pittance. And then you still need to cut Bentil or someone else.

[Surferdad]

There's a misunderstanding here on what it means for Nader to play for Maine.  He would be stashed there in the same way as Yabusele and Zizic are stashed, but under the "new" D-league stash approach that has emerged in the past 2 years.  The downside for him is the paltry $25K salary but the upside is that he was actually drafted and also more visibility to the big club (and yes, to other NBA teams).

I believe he made a promise to Ainge, and that's why Jackson and Bentil got partially guaranteed deals.  Without the promise, he might not have gotten drafted.  Then what happened is that he had a great SL and realized he could have gotten an NBA contract, so now his agent is pushing for it.  The problem is, it's sort of too late for that. He has no leverage since the C's own his rights.  His only other option now is to out out a full year to free him from the Celtics rights, and that's not really advisable career-wise.

So, Ainge is betting the C's won't lose him, and it looks like a good bet.

That is an awesome summary and I had no idea that this is the likely story here.

TP and thankyou.

Thanks and TP back at ya'.  I actually spent quite a bit of time researching this a few weeks ago because I noticed that people had recently been using the term "D-league stash" and it didn't make sense to me.  It dates back only to 2014 and a young player named Josh Heustis.  I will just warn you that you have to read the article very carefully and also consider that there wasn't a rule change to introduce this (as far as I know), so the "D-league stash" is actually on shaky legal grounding.

http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2014/7/23/5927823/thunder-josh-huestis-nba-developmental-league-draft-and-stash

[walker834]

So we have rights on him even if we don't sign him to a contract or he even makes the team?   

There is some confusion on that because this article says we have to offer him a contract to retain his rights.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-second-round-of-the-nba-draft-is-broken-but-not-beyond-repair

In order to retain the draft rights of a second-round prospect, teams must offer second-round picks a tender of the minimum salary, with all that money non-guaranteed. Most players decline the offer, knowing that it's not really all that valuable due to the likely lack of cash involved. Accept that offer, and you're stuck with the team for training camp, and out of the running for a larger guaranteed sum elsewhere.

It seems like Bentil accepted his contract so we now have rights on him throughout the length of that deal although it's not guaranteed.  Nader on the other hand is free to sign with another team since we never tendered him a contract to my knowledge nor did he agree to one.

This is what I'm trying to clarify though.  No one has overly yet.

[walker834]

I've also read elsewhere that we just keep his rights regardless and it basically just sucks to be a second round pick.  This hasn't been clarified either though.

His Agent is pushing for a deal but how much they have to stand on is the question.

People are assuming there is some agreement that he is a stash, but that's what I'm trying to clarify here.

The information superhighway is overrated and not working properly lol.  People's egos get in the way of answering a question or saying I don't know.  I don't.  That's why I'm asking.  I've looked around but the information out there is pretty crappy.

[BitterJim]

So we have rights on him even if we don't sign him to a contract or he even makes the team?   

There is some confusion on that because this article says we have to offer him a contract to retain his rights.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-second-round-of-the-nba-draft-is-broken-but-not-beyond-repair

In order to retain the draft rights of a second-round prospect, teams must offer second-round picks a tender of the minimum salary, with all that money non-guaranteed. Most players decline the offer, knowing that it's not really all that valuable due to the likely lack of cash involved. Accept that offer, and you're stuck with the team for training camp, and out of the running for a larger guaranteed sum elsewhere.

It seems like Bentil accepted his contract so we now have rights on him throughout the length of that deal although it's not guaranteed.  Nader on the other hand is free to sign with another team since we never tendered him a contract to my knowledge nor did he agree to one.

This is what I'm trying to clarify though.  No one has overly yet.

Yes, we need to offer him a tender to retain his rights

We'll likely offer a really player-unfriendly tender (no guaranteed money, etc.), so he'll have the choice of denying it (so we retain his rights until he either takes a year off or eventually signs with us) or accepting the tender and competing for a spot at camp. If he doesn't earn a spot, though, then he'd likely have to play in the DLeague (not many teams are eager to sign a late second rounder that failed to survive training camp without at least seeing them in camp) for the Red Claws (since he'd probably be one of our designated players).  He'd have the option to play overseas, but it would be pretty late for that.  While this would give him the advantage of being able to sign with any NBA team, it would likely make Ainge a bit angry (decreasing the chance of the only GM to give him a chance offering him a contract in the future) and move him out of the group of players we have the rights to, which seems like a better group for getting a chance in training camp (ie. Colton Iverson)

On the other hand, he could play himself into a spot on this ear's team, but that's extremely unlikely and not something I'd want to bet on if I were him

[walker834]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1393484

Here is another thread.  It also says we have to offer a contract and for it to be non guaranteed to retain his rights.  So that said, if that is true, we have no rights on him. He has to be offered a deal by a certain date I would guess. I think it was sometime in september is what I read somewhere.  We hold his rights until then and there is some grace period. 

Otherwise it would have to be a handshake deal to play in the d-league or he can sign anywhere else.

[walker834]

So we have rights on him even if we don't sign him to a contract or he even makes the team?   

There is some confusion on that because this article says we have to offer him a contract to retain his rights.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-second-round-of-the-nba-draft-is-broken-but-not-beyond-repair

In order to retain the draft rights of a second-round prospect, teams must offer second-round picks a tender of the minimum salary, with all that money non-guaranteed. Most players decline the offer, knowing that it's not really all that valuable due to the likely lack of cash involved. Accept that offer, and you're stuck with the team for training camp, and out of the running for a larger guaranteed sum elsewhere.

It seems like Bentil accepted his contract so we now have rights on him throughout the length of that deal although it's not guaranteed.  Nader on the other hand is free to sign with another team since we never tendered him a contract to my knowledge nor did he agree to one.

This is what I'm trying to clarify though.  No one has overly yet.

Yes, we need to offer him a tender to retain his rights

We'll likely offer a really player-unfriendly tender (no guaranteed money, etc.), so he'll have the choice of denying it (so we retain his rights until he either takes a year off or eventually signs with us) or accepting the tender and competing for a spot at camp. If he doesn't earn a spot, though, then he'd likely have to play in the DLeague (not many teams are eager to sign a late second rounder that failed to survive training camp without at least seeing them in camp) for the Red Claws (since he'd probably be one of our designated players).  He'd have the option to play overseas, but it would be pretty late for that.  While this would give him the advantage of being able to sign with any NBA team, it would likely make Ainge a bit angry (decreasing the chance of the only GM to give him a chance offering him a contract in the future) and move him out of the group of players we have the rights to, which seems like a better group for getting a chance in training camp (ie. Colton Iverson)

On the other hand, he could play himself into a spot on this ear's team, but that's extremely unlikely and not something I'd want to bet on if I were him

Alright thanks. That's what I was looking for.  Also wondering how people view him as a player and opinions.  I like him as a player but not sure what his upside is.  Gave my take on that too.