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Why don't we just draft only bigs?
« on: June 10, 2016, 05:42:44 PM »

Offline coffee425

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One could argue that the Cs had the weakest frontcourt of all 2016 playoff teams, and we'll likely lose one of our "better" front court players in free agency.  ::)
It's even worse that we've had this weakness for YEARS even during the big 3 era. (Statistically, we were actually a worse rebounding team before Brad Stevens than during). And I don't need to mention the lack of "rim protection" that we've been crying about since KG.

I just think we should take multiple swings of the bat to hit a home-run big man. This draft has a surprisingly deep pool of athletic big men, even if they're not the greatest basketball players yet.

Even if we keep only 3-4 of our 8 picks, let's just draft every big man available. You can argue who's better than the other, but I just don't agree with the BPA draft rule this year. Whether you keep them or stash them, it's just highly unlikely that all of them turn bust.

I'm just so tired of seeing our bigs struggle to challenge at the rim, stay in front of their man, and get a [dang] rebound. Danny, just show me you're at least making an effort to improve the front court.

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 Because the only big worthy of the #3 pick is Bender, And I don't think he's worthy. So you take the best player at #3 who is one of Dunn, Murray, Hield or Brown.

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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2016, 05:53:22 PM »

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 Because the only big worthy of the #3 pick is Bender, And I don't think he's worthy. So you take the best player at #3 who is one of Dunn, Murray, Hield or Brown.

Though i disagree, i can understand BPA at the top of the draft. But we essentially did this last year... at the bottom of the draft!
We have picks all across the board this year. Let's go big.
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2016, 05:57:30 PM »

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You don't draft for need unless you have your foundational players in place already (and even then you really shouldn't)

Drafting bigs at the expense of superior talent is a bad move, especially since Danny could end up trading for or signing a big name big man this summer
I'm bitter.

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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2016, 06:00:35 PM »

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You don't draft for need unless you have your foundational players in place already (and even then you really shouldn't)

Drafting bigs at the expense of superior talent is a bad move, especially since Danny could end up trading for or signing a big name big man this summer

All Free Agent bigs are past their prime, so I'm just not too interested in it.
And i believe our guards are a decent foundational piece.
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2016, 06:26:53 PM »

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Because the only big worthy of the #3 pick is Bender,

He has such great rebounding numbers, This is laughable.

 The reality of it is that, we could draft all eight picks on bigs and still not get one NBA player.   Picks are risky, sometimes they pan out and sometimes they do not.     

I am hoping for a trade to get a proven one.   Love is a poor defender, but he is a big upgrade over Sully on shooting and offense.  A minor upgrade in rebounds and he could spread the floor.   I doubt CLE wants draft picks so we would have to find a trading partner.   Noel and Okafor are on the roster and both have produced in the NBA.   Rather have any of the above three than a guy who has not produced in the Israeli league.   

I don't trust Ainge completely on darfting  bigs.   He ignored the warning signs on Sully and picked him.   Sully had his flaws which were magnified by poor conditioning and over eating but he had other issues too.   Olynyk is a finesse big, and he could have drafted a few guys who quite frankly turned out better.  Guys tend to know the position they played best.

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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2016, 06:36:52 PM »

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Because you don't draft worse players over better players.  If bigs happen to be better, great.  But you can always trade a good player for another in a position of need.

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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2016, 06:37:22 PM »

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Because the only big worthy of the #3 pick is Bender,

He has such great rebounding numbers, This is laughable.

 The reality of it is that, we could draft all eight picks on bigs and still not get one NBA player.   Picks are risky, sometimes they pan out and sometimes they do not.     

I am hoping for a trade to get a proven one.   Love is a poor defender, but he is a big upgrade over Sully on shooting and offense.  A minor upgrade in rebounds and he could spread the floor.   I doubt CLE wants draft picks so we would have to find a trading partner.   Noel and Okafor are on the roster and both have produced in the NBA.   Rather have any of the above three than a guy who has not produced in the Israeli league.   

I don't trust Ainge completely on darfting  bigs.   He ignored the warning signs on Sully and picked him.   Sully had his flaws which were magnified by poor conditioning and over eating but he had other issues too.   Olynyk is a finesse big, and he could have drafted a few guys who quite frankly turned out better.  Guys tend to know the position they played best.

Are you trying to argue that Sully was a bad pick? He's outperformed pretty much every other player available at that pick.  Whether you like him or not, he was clearly a great pick
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2016, 06:38:56 PM »

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You don't draft for need unless you have your foundational players in place already (and even then you really shouldn't)

Drafting bigs at the expense of superior talent is a bad move, especially since Danny could end up trading for or signing a big name big man this summer

All Free Agent bigs are past their prime, so I'm just not too interested in it.
And i believe our guards are a decent foundational piece.

Is Whiteside past his prime? Not to mention that we could add a high-level big through a trade (Love, Okafor, Boogie)

Our guards are great complementary pieces, but they are far from a foundation
I'm bitter.

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2016, 09:28:27 PM »

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Well just looking at the past several drafts of bigs who worked out well:
Nurkic (16), Jokic (41), Gobert (27), Porzingis (4), Capela (25), Dieng (21).

You see that some very good international Bigs prospects have arrived over the past 3 years, and they were gotten at a variety of spots.  So the idea of drafting multiple big men has merit.  And since the international pool has been rather bountiful the past 3 drafts, I see no reason why we shouldn't dip in for international players if the talent level is there.

You would have to be in serious denial to dismiss the talent to be had from international big men, just because they didn't play a year in the NCAA on our shores.

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Because the only big worthy of the #3 pick is Bender,

He has such great rebounding numbers, This is laughable.

 The reality of it is that, we could draft all eight picks on bigs and still not get one NBA player.   Picks are risky, sometimes they pan out and sometimes they do not.     

I am hoping for a trade to get a proven one.   Love is a poor defender, but he is a big upgrade over Sully on shooting and offense.  A minor upgrade in rebounds and he could spread the floor.   I doubt CLE wants draft picks so we would have to find a trading partner.   Noel and Okafor are on the roster and both have produced in the NBA.   Rather have any of the above three than a guy who has not produced in the Israeli league.   

I don't trust Ainge completely on darfting  bigs.   He ignored the warning signs on Sully and picked him.   Sully had his flaws which were magnified by poor conditioning and over eating but he had other issues too.   Olynyk is a finesse big, and he could have drafted a few guys who quite frankly turned out better.  Guys tend to know the position they played best.
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because we CAN'T shoot....Nobody can hit an outside shot.

The playoffs were probably the Worst Shooting I have ever seen from a team.
Larry Bird was Greater than you think.

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 Because the only big worthy of the #3 pick is Bender, And I don't think he's worthy. So you take the best player at #3 who is one of Dunn, Murray, Hield or Brown.

Though i disagree, i can understand BPA at the top of the draft. But we essentially did this last year... at the bottom of the draft!
We have picks all across the board this year. Let's go big.



 I think Bpa held up at The Hunter and Mickey picks. Where I disagree with Ainge is #16 I thought Portis was Easily the BPA at that very slot. Time will tell.

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I like the way the OP is thinking.  We do need shooters too.  Draft 3-4 bigs, 3-4 shooters, hopefully a few will pan out.  Be a fun summer league and training camp.