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Re: UPDATE - Bender Scouting Report & Video
« Reply #165 on: June 09, 2016, 10:39:59 PM »

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I don't think we should trade the pick or Bender right now. We should select him.  He gives us length and an additional weapon.  He may be raw but not many people his size can do the things he can. He's better than Kevin Love down the road.  Get a different star some other way and keep Bender.

To be better than Love down the road, wouldn't Bender have to be able to at least rebound at Kevin's rate, because he's horrible at that right now.
To be Kevin Love, he'll have to make some improvements.

Rebounding:  F--> A
Post game: F--> B+
Toughness: F --> C
IQ: F--> B

He has the KLove 3 point shooting and athleticism down pat and he's already a better ball handler, so that's something.

Your tactics of persuasion remind me of some politicians: If you say things enough times confidently, eventually they become truth.

Just because you think he is a bad pick, and you continue to discount his strengths and exaggerate his weaknesses, does not mean he is a bad prospect.

He is a top 3 talent and has the potential to be a top 3 player in this draft. He has the third most potential of anyone in this draft. This is exactly the type of high upside, and multi-talented big we have been wanting.
Not discounting his strengths.  He's a good 3 point shooter.  He makes nice outlets (if he could ever grab a rebound).  He is undeniably 7 feet tall.

Do you think I've mischaracterized his rebounding ability?  His post game?  Shot blocking?  Strength and toughness?  If his post game is good, why hasn't he done it?  If he's a natural shot blocker, why does he block shots at the same rate as Sully?  If he's a good rebounder, why not do it in games?

Re: UPDATE - Bender Scouting Report & Video
« Reply #166 on: June 09, 2016, 11:43:38 PM »

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I don't think we should trade the pick or Bender right now. We should select him.  He gives us length and an additional weapon.  He may be raw but not many people his size can do the things he can. He's better than Kevin Love down the road.  Get a different star some other way and keep Bender.

To be better than Love down the road, wouldn't Bender have to be able to at least rebound at Kevin's rate, because he's horrible at that right now.
To be Kevin Love, he'll have to make some improvements.

Rebounding:  F--> A
Post game: F--> B+
Toughness: F --> C
IQ: F--> B

He has the KLove 3 point shooting and athleticism down pat and he's already a better ball handler, so that's something.

Your tactics of persuasion remind me of some politicians: If you say things enough times confidently, eventually they become truth.

Just because you think he is a bad pick, and you continue to discount his strengths and exaggerate his weaknesses, does not mean he is a bad prospect.

He is a top 3 talent and has the potential to be a top 3 player in this draft. He has the third most potential of anyone in this draft. This is exactly the type of high upside, and multi-talented big we have been wanting.
Not discounting his strengths.  He's a good 3 point shooter.  He makes nice outlets (if he could ever grab a rebound).  He is undeniably 7 feet tall.

Do you think I've mischaracterized his rebounding ability?  His post game?  Shot blocking?  Strength and toughness?  If his post game is good, why hasn't he done it?  If he's a natural shot blocker, why does he block shots at the same rate as Sully?  If he's a good rebounder, why not do it in games?

I think at worst the pick busts.  At best we get a top PF.  I'd like to see what the Celtics can do with a young player like that.  We have a ton of other picks and ways to improve as well.  I would take a shot on him.  If Bender even has a legit shot of being Anthony Davis we have to take that shot.  I can see the Celtics trying to add talent in other ways.  If we can get a guy Jimmy Butler sure but that's about where it ends.  I don't take Love over him.

Re: UPDATE - Bender Scouting Report & Video
« Reply #167 on: June 10, 2016, 03:14:36 AM »

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Lol, I'm not sure it's that bad (although you have seen much more of him than I, well, have), but maybe that's who he was playing against (7th graders) when he scored 43 points ;D.

He almost was.... Most of his opponents in this game are 2 years younger.....

Re: UPDATE - Bender Scouting Report & Video
« Reply #168 on: June 10, 2016, 03:42:28 AM »

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Lol, I'm not sure it's that bad (although you have seen much more of him than I, well, have), but maybe that's who he was playing against (7th graders) when he scored 43 points ;D.

He almost was.... Most of his opponents in this game are 2 years younger.....

*facepalm*

Re: UPDATE - Bender Scouting Report & Video
« Reply #169 on: June 10, 2016, 04:03:29 AM »

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Lol, I'm not sure it's that bad (although you have seen much more of him than I, well, have), but maybe that's who he was playing against (7th graders) when he scored 43 points ;D.

He almost was.... Most of his opponents in this game are 2 years younger.....

*facepalm*

They are not 15 yo or it is irrelevant that a 17year old scored 43points against 15 year olds???

Re: UPDATE - Bender Scouting Report & Video
« Reply #170 on: June 10, 2016, 04:10:44 AM »

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Lol, I'm not sure it's that bad (although you have seen much more of him than I, well, have), but maybe that's who he was playing against (7th graders) when he scored 43 points ;D.

He almost was.... Most of his opponents in this game are 2 years younger.....

*facepalm*

They are not 15 yo or it is irrelevant that a 17year old scored 43points against 15 year olds???

Huh?

Re: UPDATE - Bender Scouting Report & Video
« Reply #171 on: June 10, 2016, 03:34:45 PM »

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Lol, I'm not sure it's that bad (although you have seen much more of him than I, well, have), but maybe that's who he was playing against (7th graders) when he scored 43 points ;D.

He almost was.... Most of his opponents in this game are 2 years younger.....

*facepalm*

They are not 15 yo or it is irrelevant that a 17year old scored 43points against 15 year olds???
They are 15 and it is irrelevant.