lee still working his magic-

[BitterJim]

Since Lee joined them, the Mavericks have lost 4 out of 7. So for now I would say that the "gift" by Ainge pans out for us.

Good individual stats won't fool me into thinking he somehow became a winning player all of the sudden.

Well, he did play a contributing role on a Championship team last year, so I'm not sure it's fair to say he's not a "winning" player.

That I can't deny. But does one Championship in a 10 year career make u a winning player? Lee had good stat in New York, but it never made them win. Did they have one +500 season when he played there? I highly doubt it.

And Golden state started firing on all cylinders when Lee went down. I think that's no coincidence.

Not saying he is or was a bad player. I just think that he happens to be a player that looks better than his actual influence in winning a game is.

Ask KG or The Truth

[rollie mass]

this was about the mavs going 3 wins-4 losses since he came on-just about the draft pick for celts
not ill will

[PhoSita]

Lee has a 29.5 PER in 137 minutes for the Mavs so far.  His defensive rating is 98.

[guava_wrench]

Since Lee joined them, the Mavericks have lost 4 out of 7. So for now I would say that the "gift" by Ainge pans out for us.

Good individual stats won't fool me into thinking he somehow became a winning player all of the sudden.

Well, he did play a contributing role on a Championship team last year, so I'm not sure it's fair to say he's not a "winning" player.

That I can't deny. But does one Championship in a 10 year career make u a winning player? Lee had good stat in New York, but it never made them win. Did they have one +500 season when he played there? I highly doubt it.

And Golden state started firing on all cylinders when Lee went down. I think that's no coincidence.

Not saying he is or was a bad player. I just think that he happens to be a player that looks better than his actual influence in winning a game is.

Ask KG or The Truth

KG and Pierce have no relevance to Lee. When Lee was in New York, he was considered a fantasy team value, but was never considered to have the same positive impact on his IRL team. Lee's reputation has always been that his impact didn't match his stats.

I have always like Lee because of his effort, but I've always been skeptical of his value.

That doesn't mean that he could not have helped us. I am just saying that his stats are always better than his actual contribution to his team and are misleading.

[Alleyoopster]

Since Lee joined them, the Mavericks have lost 4 out of 7. So for now I would say that the "gift" by Ainge pans out for us.

Good individual stats won't fool me into thinking he somehow became a winning player all of the sudden.

Well, he did play a contributing role on a Championship team last year, so I'm not sure it's fair to say he's not a "winning" player.

He was on the team, and he played some meaningful minutes, but Golden State can certainly win that series without him. He doesn't move the needle.

He moved the needle in a crucial playoff game last year. Not sure gsw definitwly win the series without that 4th quarter he had in game 4 or 5 or whatever..

 TP     You are spot on. He moved the needle in two crucial wins. Bogut was totally useless for long spells. No Lee, no Championship.  I'd say that is a given.   

[Granath]

TP     You are spot on. He moved the needle in two crucial wins. Bogut was totally useless for long spells. No Lee, no Championship.  I'd say that is a given.   

Wha...? It's not a given at all. In fact it's almost certainly incorrect.

Lee played around 15 mpg in 3 blowout wins against Memphis. Whee. Big...*ahem*...deal.

Against Cleveland the only game where he may have been the deciding factor was game 3, except the Warriors lost that game. Game 4? Golden State won by over 20 (and was leading going into the 4th) while Lee (+4) scored 9 points in 15 minutes. Nice, but it's not hard to be +4 when your team wins by 21. Game 5? Golden State won by 13 while Lee (-7) scored 2 points in 9 minutes.

There's nothing to suggest Lee was a difference maker in any playoff game. It's almost a certainty that the Warriors would have won the championship with or without Lee.

[guava_wrench]

TP     You are spot on. He moved the needle in two crucial wins. Bogut was totally useless for long spells. No Lee, no Championship.  I'd say that is a given.   

Wha...? It's not a given at all. In fact it's almost certainly incorrect.

Lee played around 15 mpg in 3 blowout wins against Memphis. Whee. Big...*ahem*...deal.

Against Cleveland the only game where he may have been the deciding factor was game 3, except the Warriors lost that game. Game 4? Golden State won by over 20 (and was leading going into the 4th) while Lee (+4) scored 9 points in 15 minutes. Nice, but it's not hard to be +4 when your team wins by 21. Game 5? Golden State won by 13 while Lee (-7) scored 2 points in 9 minutes.

There's nothing to suggest Lee was a difference maker in any playoff game. It's almost a certainty that the Warriors would have won the championship with or without Lee.

I guess people remember Lee seeming to have an impact keeping the game close in a loss and misremember it as him helping them win.

[Ogaju]

Since Lee joined them, the Mavericks have lost 4 out of 7. So for now I would say that the "gift" by Ainge pans out for us.

Good individual stats won't fool me into thinking he somehow became a winning player all of the sudden.

Well, he did play a contributing role on a Championship team last year, so I'm not sure it's fair to say he's not a "winning" player.

He was on the team, and he played some meaningful minutes, but Golden State can certainly win that series without him. He doesn't move the needle.

He moved the needle in a crucial playoff game last year. Not sure gsw definitwly win the series without that 4th quarter he had in game 4 or 5 or whatever..

 TP     You are spot on. He moved the needle in two crucial wins. Bogut was totally useless for long spells. No Lee, no Championship.  I'd say that is a given.   

this is how I remember it. GSW was getting killed until Kerr decided to play Lee more.

[LarBrd33]

It's too bad he didn't work out here.  I wanted to root for him.  His stats reflected someone who could still play ball.  Just a bad fit.

[MJohnnyboy]

TP     You are spot on. He moved the needle in two crucial wins. Bogut was totally useless for long spells. No Lee, no Championship.  I'd say that is a given.   

Wha...? It's not a given at all. In fact it's almost certainly incorrect.

Lee played around 15 mpg in 3 blowout wins against Memphis. Whee. Big...*ahem*...deal.

Against Cleveland the only game where he may have been the deciding factor was game 3, except the Warriors lost that game. Game 4? Golden State won by over 20 (and was leading going into the 4th) while Lee (+4) scored 9 points in 15 minutes. Nice, but it's not hard to be +4 when your team wins by 21. Game 5? Golden State won by 13 while Lee (-7) scored 2 points in 9 minutes.

There's nothing to suggest Lee was a difference maker in any playoff game. It's almost a certainty that the Warriors would have won the championship with or without Lee.

Yeah seriously. The guy played 1 minute in the game clinching win against the Cavs. Goes to show how valuable Kerr thought he was when all was said and done. The reason why Kerr played Lee was because the Cavs had the momentum and Kerr had to use something to fight back. Once the Cavs were able to adjust to playing against Lee, Kerr stopped playing him and committed to smallball for the rest of the series. Simple as that. Lee gave them a nice jolt for a brief period, but was not a difference maker in that series. Plus the main difference between the first three games in that series and the last three was Curry and his shotmaking. He was off the first three games. When he got it back, the Warriors rolled.

[inverselock]

It took being dropped for him to decide to get into shape.    Seems like an empty stats guy who doesn't fit in todays Nba.   3 - 3 with easy games,  now a tough schedule for Dallas.   Should be good for the pick.

[Big333223]

TP     You are spot on. He moved the needle in two crucial wins. Bogut was totally useless for long spells. No Lee, no Championship.  I'd say that is a given.   

Wha...? It's not a given at all. In fact it's almost certainly incorrect.

Lee played around 15 mpg in 3 blowout wins against Memphis. Whee. Big...*ahem*...deal.

Against Cleveland the only game where he may have been the deciding factor was game 3, except the Warriors lost that game. Game 4? Golden State won by over 20 (and was leading going into the 4th) while Lee (+4) scored 9 points in 15 minutes. Nice, but it's not hard to be +4 when your team wins by 21. Game 5? Golden State won by 13 while Lee (-7) scored 2 points in 9 minutes.

There's nothing to suggest Lee was a difference maker in any playoff game. It's almost a certainty that the Warriors would have won the championship with or without Lee.

Yeah seriously. The guy played 1 minute in the game clinching win against the Cavs. Goes to show how valuable Kerr thought he was when all was said and done. The reason why Kerr played Lee was because the Cavs had the momentum and Kerr had to use something to fight back. Once the Cavs were able to adjust to playing against Lee, Kerr stopped playing him and committed to smallball for the rest of the series. Simple as that. Lee gave them a nice jolt for a brief period, but was not a difference maker in that series. Plus the main difference between the first three games in that series and the last three was Curry and his shotmaking. He was off the first three games. When he got it back, the Warriors rolled.

Lee's importance to the Warriors that series was brief, but it was crucial. Game 4 ended as a blow out but it was a 6 point game going into the 3rd and Cleveland was still, to that point, winning the series 2-1. Without Lee getting to the line and putting pressure on Cleveland, they might not have been in position to go on their 4th quarter run. Lee kept them alive when they needed it most. It's not hard to imagine an alternate universe in which, without Lee, the Warriors don't get their head's on straight until it's too late, go down 3-1 and wind up losing the series.

That said, I do not fear Lee hurting our Dallas pick this season.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

It's too bad he didn't work out here.  I wanted to root for him.  His stats reflected someone who could still play ball.  Just a bad fit.

Kinda agree with this. He's a model professional baller, and a typed of power forward whose skill set is becoming increasingly redundant in today's NBA. Sorta like Brandon Bass