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Pick Consolidation
« on: January 01, 2016, 11:34:00 AM »

Offline Denis998

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I think we should consolidate the Philly and Twolves 2nd round picks, maybe both those will fetch a pick in the 20-25 range. Then use that pick and the Celtics and Dallas 1sts to get a pick somewhere in the 7-10 range. At that point we would have a Brooklyn Pick in the 1-5 range, and a mid lottery pick. If all goes to worst package both those picks to get a top 2 pick and draft Ben or Ingram.

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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2016, 11:37:33 AM »

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I think we should consolidate the Philly and Twolves 2nd round picks, maybe both those will fetch a pick in the 20-25 range. Then use that pick and the Celtics and Dallas 1sts to get a pick somewhere in the 7-10 range. At that point we would have a Brooklyn Pick in the 1-5 range, and a mid lottery pick. If all goes to worst package both those picks to get a top 2 pick and draft Ben or Ingram.
Not that eady. We saw that last year

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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2016, 11:45:01 AM »

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I think we should consolidate the Philly and Twolves 2nd round picks, maybe both those will fetch a pick in the 20-25 range. Then use that pick and the Celtics and Dallas 1sts to get a pick somewhere in the 7-10 range. At that point we would have a Brooklyn Pick in the 1-5 range, and a mid lottery pick. If all goes to worst package both those picks to get a top 2 pick and draft Ben or Ingram.
Not that eady. We saw that last year
From what I heard, the picks offered were heavily protected or late firsts. From what I wrote, we trade 2 relatively same picks to get a marginally better one. That way it becomes a methodical way to move up in the draft.
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2016, 12:10:33 PM »

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I think we should consolidate the Philly and Twolves 2nd round picks, maybe both those will fetch a pick in the 20-25 range. Then use that pick and the Celtics and Dallas 1sts to get a pick somewhere in the 7-10 range. At that point we would have a Brooklyn Pick in the 1-5 range, and a mid lottery pick. If all goes to worst package both those picks to get a top 2 pick and draft Ben or Ingram.
Not that eady. We saw that last year
From what I heard, the picks offered were heavily protected or late firsts. From what I wrote, we trade 2 relatively same picks to get a marginally better one. That way it becomes a methodical way to move up in the draft.
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Sure but when you are talking about making multiple deals it requires multiple buyers, and we saw last year that it is just hard to make multiple deals on draft night and it is often very difficult to get into the top 10.

I'm sure ainge will look Into this strategy but it is very tough to execute

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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2016, 01:08:33 PM »

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Hmm...how about Wolves (mid 30's) and 76ers (31st) picks and one of DAL/BOS picks [whichever one is worse] to move up several spots a la Olynyk trade.


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Ideally we would consolidate picks to move up in the draft but it isn't a certainty that a trade like that will be available to us.

I think I might prefer moving picks this year for picks in 2017 to consolidation, but that also might not be available to us.

The third option is to draft a lot of foreign players who could be stashed, but even that might not be available to us. Last year a lot of foreign players pulled out of the draft making less draft and stash candidates.
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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2016, 04:06:20 PM »

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Ideally we would consolidate picks to move up in the draft but it isn't a certainty that a trade like that will be available to us.

I think I might prefer moving picks this year for picks in 2017 to consolidation, but that also might not be available to us.

The third option is to draft a lot of foreign players who could be stashed, but even that might not be available to us. Last year a lot of foreign players pulled out of the draft making less draft and stash candidates.

Three things help us in terms of trading picks for picks. One, our overall set of picks is far more valuable this year (currently #3, #19, #22, #31 vs #16, #28, #33 - ignoring the less valuable second rounders.) And the spread on those latter two picks is pretty wide - one of them could easily end up being #14-16 for example.

Second, because we have those picks and the future BKN picks we can assemble a package using only picks for almost any slot in this draft. We have tremendous flexibility...last year some of the rumors had us trying to find two partners (like first to move up to #7 then to move with another trade up to #4).

And third, I've said this before but I think the value of mid-first round picks is going to rise because of the salary cap. Those slots are the cheapest way to add talent right now, and you lock it up for longer than the typical FA contract these days, which has been getting shorter.

I think if Danny sees someone he really wants, he will be far more competitive in building offers than we were last year.

All that said, I agree that flipping into the future is generally a better value proposition...particularly if one believes the stories about the packages we would've had to surrender last year to move into the top 10.

I'm also pondering how Danny could flip on our expectations. For example, it's not out of the realm if we end up at #4 for him to flip that to DEN for #7 and #16...then flip our other first rounders for future picks that are likely to be top 10, but in 2018 or something.