Time to move on from AB and Sully , Rozier,Hunter, Mickey need to play

[D Dub]

I'd rather trade Sully for a pick than cut either Jones or Young.   It's pretty clear we don't wanna pay him, so might as well gain one asset instead of losing two.  Besides, he's going to become a malcontent soon anyways, when Lee & AJ take all his minutes...

I'm very about this. Seriously Sully is starting to bother me (And boy have I been rooting for the kid) I just dont think he fits the hard nose blue collar fit of this team. If we can get a first out of him then go for it.

But what Im really hoping is we deal Sully, PJ and some sort of collection of picks (nothing that great) for a decent player. Pitch the other team on Sully's upside  and Perry's potential and how draft picks are always valuable. But the real question is... Who can we get with that? I know its dependent on how good the pick(s) is/are. If anyone wants to throw something out there I'd love to hear it!

Oh and just to help continue this convo, Hunter will be starting SG within the next year (barring we pick up/draft an all star time guard. His length, IQ, shot and work ethic really bode well for him.

Well there just isn't a lot of salary there, so you'd be looking for a player on rookie scale or similar.

[konkmv]

Who will give a first rounder for sully?

[D Dub]

Maybe Philly would take him for a pick swap?   Or Denver perhaps?

[Smartacus]

I like our rookie class but we've got to wait until the Celtics play in the regular season and actually play a good NBA team before we decide what the Celtics' next move should be.

After the 2012 pre-season ended, I was 100% convinced Jeff Green was the heir apparent to Paul Pierce as the team's wing of the future, that the Jason Terry/Courtney Lee duo was going to wreck the league, and that Darko was going to be a diamond in the rough for the team.

Then the real season began and all those dreams were destroyed. Point is, wait until the real games begin.

Thought we had something with Darko! Huge, great passer, was looking like he could quarterback out of the Marc Gasol high post area. Looked like a natural fit that could spell KG at the 5, then he,had a dnp and in no time at all he was back to the home country.

Also felt Nenad Krstic got a raw deal on this team due to his size and shooting ability. Kristic was an MVP candidate for Russia but couldn't get off the bench for the Celtics since we had Big Baby eating up big minutes.

[SHAQATTACK]

I luv the rooks .....but geeezzz.   .....it took years to make Avery a very good player .  He is finally Healthy , playing good ball ....at his prime . Seems to be a decent court leader , nice guy , works with team and management well.   I doubt Danny is in any hurry to trade him.

Reminds me of people who restore a car, spend years ...then sell .

[fairweatherfan]

Tis the season...

I'm down for moving on from Sully, though it isn't Mickey who'll get most of his minutes.  But AB has looked fairly impressive this preseason now that he's taking 3s instead of dribbling one step inside the line.  Really interested to see how his year goes.

[mef730]

Wonder what a package of AB and Sully could bring back in a trade ?

Maybe Philly would take him for a pick swap?   Or Denver perhaps?

Love the enthusiasm but, if there's one thing that the past couple of off-seasons have taught me, it's that no team will trade an A-level player for any amount of B-level players. Sully plus Bradley plus Turner just doesn't equal even a pick swap to the lottery-level teams.

Mike

[Celtics4ever]

Thought we had something with Darko! Huge, great passer, was looking like he could quarterback out of the Marc Gasol high post area. Looked like a natural fit that could spell KG at the 5, then he,had a dnp and in no time at all he was back to the home country.

Darko had never really lived up the potential of where, he was drafted.  In a lot of ways, he was human pyrite.   I never get it how guys think a guy who was largely a dud elsewhere will become a stud here.  Never ceases too amaze me.

Also felt Nenad Krstic got a raw deal on this team due to his size and shooting ability. Kristic was an MVP candidate for Russia but couldn't get off the bench for the Celtics since we had Big Baby eating up big minutes.

I call BS on this one,  he played 23 mpg with us.  Is that glued to the bench?

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1719/nenad-krstic

I thought he was a nifty player, but your memories do not coincide with the facts.  He played.   I think one can make a strong argument that he was better than Big Baby, but he played.

Are you proposing that Ainge is a anti-Russite? (Seinfeld Reference)

But AB has looked fairly impressive this preseason now that he's taking 3s instead of dribbling one step inside the line.  Really interested to see how his year goes.

 

I think AB has looked solid as well. He shot lights out the first two games.  Not so well the last two.  Are you including him just to make Sully more enticing?

The bigs that fit in CBS system are rare, they have to be able to switch and spread the floor.  Those guys do not grow on trees and if another has them, they may want to keep them .

[Rosco917]

I am not saying do a bad trade just to get them out of here , but I don't see anything they offer that wouldn't be easily replaceable by the rookies . Rozier , while maybe not as good of a defender as AB, is not far behind . Plus he can handle the ball, score and shoot . Hunter would be able to stretch the defense from day 1 and is a solid defender himself.

Sully needs to go. Mickey is much more athletic, much better defender, and has that bass 15 ft jumper and can finish at the rim unlike sully .

Wonder what a package of AB and Sully could bring back in a trade ?

I know it's early in the season, and for that matter early in the careers of this trio of rookies, but it may be time to invest into these kids. Clearly they look like prototypes for their positions in today's NBA.

As apposed to the undersized 6-2 180 lb. SG, and very streaky shooting Bradley, and the slow lumbering, non athletic Sully, that does not fit into the style of the team.

I can see a PG rotation of Smart, IT and Rozier, and a SG rotation of Smart, Turner, and RJ.

The trade combination of Sully, Bradley, and a draft pick may get us something we can better use.






   

[slamtheking]

I am not saying do a bad trade just to get them out of here , but I don't see anything they offer that wouldn't be easily replaceable by the rookies . Rozier , while maybe not as good of a defender as AB, is not far behind . Plus he can handle the ball, score and shoot . Hunter would be able to stretch the defense from day 1 and is a solid defender himself.

Sully needs to go. Mickey is much more athletic, much better defender, and has that bass 15 ft jumper and can finish at the rim unlike sully .

Wonder what a package of AB and Sully could bring back in a trade ?

I know it's early in the season, and for that matter early in the careers of this trio of rookies, but it may be time to invest into these kids. Clearly they look like prototypes for their positions in today's NBA.

As apposed to the undersized 6-2 180 lb. SG, and very streaky shooting Bradley, and the slow lumbering, non athletic Sully, that does not fit into the style of the team.

I can see a PG rotation of Smart, IT and Rozier, and a SG rotation of Smart, Turner, and RJ.

The trade combination of Sully, Bradley, and a draft pick may get us something we can better use.

I agree this may be the trade package Danny offers to pick up a good player depending on how the youth movement progresses this year. 

I can really see Smart and Rozier as the backcourt of the future.  With Young showing signs of development, having him and Hunter could make for a solid 4 man rotation in a couple of years.

[nickagneta]

The rookies are showing flashes in preseason but let's not go off the deep end here. Due to depth in the frontcourt, Mickey will be in Maine until at least two frontcourt players are injured or traded. Also, for all Hunter's BBIQ and court presence, he is still shooting abysmally and he was drafted for his shooting. Rozier has had the best preseason of the three but has Smart, Thomas, Bradley, and Turner in front of him getting backcourt minutes.

Invest in all three but make them earn their time, just don't give it to them. Expect good things but don't plan on those good things helping the team win games this year. Be positive about the players because all have great potential, but potential is all they have at the moment. They just are not better than the players in front of them yet. And so they must be inactive, be in Maine, or be riding pine.

As for Sully, he is too talented to dump for a crap pick. He knows he is in the doghouse and so does the entire rest of the league. It best to give him spot minutes and tell him when he gets in shape and earns the minutes he will get them until then, you are our 5th big man. Someone up front will get injured or possibly play himself out of the rotation. It's best to have a talent like Sully ready to place that player because when Sully gets in shape and decides to ball, we know he can be a 13/8 guy or better.

[Kuberski33]

As for Sully, he is too talented to dump for a crap pick. He knows he is in the doghouse and so does the entire rest of the league. It best to give him spot minutes and tell him when he gets in shape and earns the minutes he will get them until then, you are our 5th big man. Someone up front will get injured or possibly play himself out of the rotation. It's best to have a talent like Sully ready to place that player because when Sully gets in shape and decides to ball, we know he can be a 13/8 guy or better.

Even if this scenario happened and Sully puts say a great half season in, is that enough to make you want to commit big money to extend him?  Could you ever trust him, given his history?  That to me is the problem with keeping him here.  What's there to gain other than a little insurance for this season?  And he's bound to start sulking if he doesn't play much. What's the point of keeping him around?

[nickagneta]

As for Sully, he is too talented to dump for a crap pick. He knows he is in the doghouse and so does the entire rest of the league. It best to give him spot minutes and tell him when he gets in shape and earns the minutes he will get them until then, you are our 5th big man. Someone up front will get injured or possibly play himself out of the rotation. It's best to have a talent like Sully ready to place that player because when Sully gets in shape and decides to ball, we know he can be a 13/8 guy or better.

Even if this scenario happened and Sully puts say a great half season in, is that enough to make you want to commit big money to extend him?  Could you ever trust him, given his history?  That to me is the problem with keeping him here.  What's there to gain other than a little insurance for this season?  And he's bound to start sulking if he doesn't play much. What's the point of keeping him around?

1. I do not want to commit money to him n the future.

2. He has been  trooper throughout this process and I think we have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is going to be a team player.

3. What is to gain is more wins this season and the playoffs. Sully, when he got minutes in last year's series against the Cavs was perhaps the Celtics best player. He could be one of those guys that plays better the higher the stakes are.

4. So those are the reason to  keep him around and maybe some team will want to sign and trade for him next year and we could get something back for him that's more valuable than a heavily protected 2nd round pick, which, because of his poor offseason and the Celtics making him their 5th big, is what he is currently worth.

[Celtics4ever]

3. What is to gain is more wins this season and the playoffs. Sully, when he got minutes in last year's series against the Cavs was perhaps the Celtics best player. He could be one of those guys that plays better the higher the stakes are.

I agree with this completely but playing devil's advocate, we also did quite well without him when he was out.   Some of this was IT, some was better defensive integrity.  We were 19-10 when Jerebko played last year and he took up a lot of Sully's minutes, not all this was IT.