IDEA: Back-to-back 3-team deals that could land us Cousins

[TheFlex]

Based on: Charlotte shopping Zeller for wing help, per Woj (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=78906.msg1906549#msg1906549)

Charlotte wants shooters. Avery Bradley would be perfect for them. We want a top 10 pick. #9 fits the bill. Now, we could be boring and just propose Avery Bradley and #16 for Zeller and #9, or we could have some fun with it.

It's wacky time. Let's find an opportunity.

3 teamer between Boston, Charlotte and Milwaukee

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oss2r89

Boston sends: Avery Bradley, Evan Turner, #16, #33, 2016 DAL 1
Boston receives: Michael Carter-Williams, OJ Mayo, #9

Charlotte sends: Cody Zeller, Spencer Hawes, #9
Charlotte receives: Avery Bradley, Caron Butler, #16

Milwaukee sends: Michael Carter-Williams, OJ Mayo, Caron Butler
Milwaukee receives: Cody Zeller, Evan Turner, Spencer Hawes, #33, 2016 DAL 1

Milwaukee

Tyler Ennis/Trey Burke
Khris Middleton/Evan Turner
Jabari Parker/Devin Booker
Giannis Antetokounmpo/Spencer Hawes
Cody Zeller/John Henson/Zaza Pachulia

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pmhd3rj

Milwaukee sends: Miles Plumlee, Jared Dudley, #17, #33, #46
Utah sends: Trey Burke, #12

Utah adds a backup 3 which they need, a backup 5 which they need, an early 2nd and a draft and stash pick whilst only moving back 5 selections in a draft that likely drops off around 12 anyways.

#12: Devin Booker

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Justification for 3 teamer with Boston and Charlotte: It's really hard to decipher what MCW's value is. He's being shopped, but is Milwaukee really so dumb as to trade for him a guy that nearly made the All-Star team this year only to turn around and exchange him for a return that doesn't include a top ten pick this year? [edit: Though I'm skeptical that their evaluation of MCW has changed so drastically over the last 4 months, I think they ultimately accept this because the deal's positional fit for Milwaukee, who needs a currently starter-level 5 or at the very least prospective one along with a shot creator off the bench (C. Zeller and Evan Turner*), negates the deal's overall value deficiency.] Even if Hawes continues to disappoint and fails to justify his contract, the cap's rise makes this a minimal hit by the backend of this deal; in addition, they save about $2.2m this year and pick up what could be a very valuable 2016 Dallas 1st rounder.

*They need a guy that can handle the ball for at least 25 minutes as Ennis is most likely not quite ready for 30-35 minutes of primetime basketball yet. Ennis, Burke, Jabari and Booker compliment Turner perfectly as surrounding perimeter players.

Charlotte

Kemba Walker/Olivier Hanlan
Avery Bradley/Jeremy Lamb/PJ Hairston
Nicolas Batum/Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/[Marvin Williams]
Frank Kaminsky/[Michael Kidd-Gilchrist]/Marvin Williams
Al Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo/Dakari Johnson

CHA sends: #16, 2016 CHA 1 (lotto protected)
OKC sends: #14, #48

OKC jumps at the value, Charlotte jumps at the fit. Seems typical.

#14: Frank Kaminsky
#39: Dakari Johnson
#48: Olivier Hanlan

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Justification for 3 teamer with Boston and Milwaukee: Charlotte gets one of the better wing defenders in the league and a guy who plays extremely well off the ball in AB, who has averaged impressive shooting percentages from deep the past few seasons. Specifically Bradley is also known for both his willingness to cut to the basket without the ball, his ability to finish at the rim (61% within 3 feet), and his success beyond the arc off the pass (89% of Avery's made 3s were assisted, and of those assisted 3s he shot 36%). He would fit perfectly with Kemba. They free themselves of Hawes' deal and pick up a cheaper, expiring deal in the form of a more popular veteran presence, Caron Butler. They only move back 7 spots in the draft to #16, positioning them to catch a falling Trey Lyles or Frank Kaminsky or snatch up a Bobby Portis, Montrezl Harrell or Kevon Looney (all great fits next to Big Al).

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Boston

Now for the good part...

Isaiah Thomas/Michael Carter-Williams/Kevin Pangos
Marcus Smart/[Michael Carter-Williams]/OJ Mayo
Paul Pierce/Jae Crowder/Richaun Holmes
Thaddeus Young/Jonas Jerebko/Jarrell Martin
DeMarcus Cousins/Pero Antic

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ofxouhg

BOS sends: Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk, Tyler Zeller, James Young, Gerald Wallace, #9, 2016 BRK 1
BOS receives: DeMarcus Cousins

SAC sends: DeMarcus Cousins
SAC receives: Kyle Lowry, Kelly Olynyk, Tyler Zeller, #9

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TOR sends: Kyle Lowry
TOR receives: Jared Sullinger, James Young, Gerald Wallace, 2016 BRK 1

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#28: Jarrell Martin
#45: Richaun Holmes

Justification for 3 teamer with Charlotte and Milwaukee: The importance of this deal is obviously #9, which puts us in more serious discussion for DeMarcus Cousins, should he become available (I believe he already is). We pick up an intriguing asset in MCW -- whose defensive potential and unique offensive game could be a serious weapon in the form of a super sub for the clever Brad Stevens -- and absorb Mayo's expiring deal. Mayo can still play, and could validate the success he had in this past season in 15 minute spurts off the bench, much like Marcus Thornton did. If so, we could move him at the deadline to address a weakness that arises as the season progresses or keep him as a scoring punch off the bench.

We give up a lot, but again, the majority of it is for the sake of getting Cousins.

Justification for 3 teamer with Sacramento and Toronto: We get Cousins, keep Smart and IT, and don't have to swallow a bad deal such as Carl Landry's. The price is of course lofty, giving up Sullinger, Olynyk, Zeller, James Young and a Brooklyn 1st in addition to what we traded to obtain #9. It is well worth it though to add DeMarcus Cousins to the roster.

With Cousins and MCW aboard I believe we could convince a pretty good but not great free agent to come to our roster, such as Thaddeus Young as I've suggested above. Young's versatility on both ends of the floor would be a treat for Brad Stevens to work with.

I believe Pierce would absolutely consider coming back if we added Cousins, MCW and Thaddeus Young to Smart/IT. Sign him, bring back Crowder, sign a cheap big like Antic and invite CBS favorite Kevin Pangos to camp and we have ourselves a contender, I believe.

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** Kyle Lowry/Darren Collison
Ben McLemore/Nik Stauskas
Rudy Gay/Justise Winslow
Kelly Olynyk/Carl Landry
Willie Caulie-Stein/Tyler Zeller

Sacramento gets an All-Star, a starter with upside in Olynyk along with one of the better rotation bigs in the league in Zeller, and a top ten pick in 2015. I think this trumps any offer we've heard of for Cousins so far and is one that Sacramento would accept. This would be the type of well-balanced team Karl has craved since leaving the post-Melo Nuggets.

*** Vasquez/Delon Wright
DeRozan/Lou Williams/[James Young]
Terrence Ross/James Johnson/James Young/Caboclo
Jared Sullinger/Patrick Patterson/[James Johnson]
Jonas Valanciunas/[Patrick Patterson]/Lucas Noguiera

Toronto reboots here. Rumors of them blowing it up inspired my inclusion of them in this deal instead of a team like Denver, where Sullinger -- the main attraction to the third team -- is an inferior fit. I don't think they have to blow it up because two of their stars are still ahead of their prime. They can move Lowry -- who had a poor second half to the season and fits poorly with DeRozan and/or in Dwane Casey's offensive system -- while his value remains relatively high and pick up a starter with upside left in Sullinger, a young high ceiling wing in James Young and a very valuable 2016 Brooklyn 1st. They have to take Wallace's contract, which is why the Celts give them the Brooklyn 1st instead of Boston's own 1st next season in this scenario.

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That's all I have to say folks. You heard it here first, this is all going down in the next 24 hours! 

[wiley]

TP for the hard work! 

IMO Boston doesn't get enough back in the first deal.

And in the second deal Sacramento gets way too little and Toronto gets way too much....
Can you tweak it?

[TheFlex]

TP for the hard work! 

IMO Boston doesn't get enough back in the first deal.

And in the second deal Sacramento gets way too little and Toronto gets way too much....
Can you tweak it?

TP right back to you.

Though I disagree with that evaluation of the Sacramento-Toronto deal, to even it out the Celts could just send that Brooklyn 1st to Sacramento instead of Toronto.

As for the first deal, I suppose the Celts could withhold #33, but I'm guessing my offer is at least what it takes to get a top ten pick and a prospect like MCW.

[Hemingway]

What about this, real simple: We trade all of our picks, Young and filler (well we'd have to keep out own one every other year) for Cousins. We can trade like 6 first rounders right? Maybe a 3rd team is needed but I would think if we were ready to let all the picks go, it shouldn't take to much more to beat out other deals.

Line something up with LMA or Love to sign here after we get DMC.

Sign PP.

Then look to trade Sully and KO for future firsts at somepoint to replenish our depleted pick stash.



Smart/Turner
AB/IT
PP/Crowder
Love or LMA/Bass
Cousins/Zeller

[TheFlex]

What about this, real simple: We trade all of our picks, Young and filler (well we'd have to keep out own one every other year) for Cousins. We can trade like 6 first rounders right? Maybe a 3rd team is needed but I would think if we were ready to let all the picks go, it shouldn't take to much more to beat out other deals.

Line something up with LMA or Love to sign here after we get DMC.

Sign PP.

Then look to trade Sully and KO for future firsts at somepoint to replenish our depleted pick stash.



Smart/Turner
AB/IT
PP/Crowder
Love or LMA/Bass
Cousins/Zeller

Clearly if Danny was willing -- i.e. reckless enough -- to trade 6 first rounders for Cousins, he would be in green already. But he isn't, and he shouldn't, and this is why I spent the time exploring creative avenues to turn what the Celtics are willing to offer into something the Kings are willing to accept.

[Rakulp]

TP for the post...but one question.

What makes a Celtic team with Cousins, MCW and Young a more attractive destination for Paul Pierce than reuniting with Doc on the Clipper team with their stars?

I would love to see him back in green again, but have to believe it would take a roster with a little more talent to consider coming back to Boston. 

Rak

[PhoSita]

You should have stopped yourself at "back to back 3 team deals."  I appreciate the effort though, just because that phrase is the perfect epitome of Internet messageboard fandom.

[TheFlex]

TP for the post...but one question.

What makes a Celtic team with Cousins, MCW and Young a more attractive destination for Paul Pierce than reuniting with Doc on the Clipper team with their stars?

I would love to see him back in green again, but have to believe it would take a roster with a little more talent to consider coming back to Boston. 

Rak

Well, Smart and IT have something to say about you not including them as guys PP would want to play with, but I agree that the Clippers' roster would still be ultimately superior. But, the Clippers are in the West, so in a qualitative proportional sense with respect to Conference strength, that Celtics team may very well have just as strong a chance at making it to the Finals as that Clippers team would. Additionally, the Clippers don't have the hometown advantage that Beantown has with Pierce, which is ironic considering Pierce grew up in LA.

[TheFlex]

You should have stopped yourself at "back to back 3 team deals."  I appreciate the effort though, just because that phrase is the perfect epitome of Internet messageboard fandom.

Lol,  TP. I laughed at the title myself.

[Endless Paradise]

Charlotte actually wants Hawes, though. They want a big who can stretch the floor and pass. They tried replacing McRoberts with Marvin Williams last season.

[TheFlex]

Charlotte actually wants Hawes, though. They want a big who can stretch the floor and pass. They tried replacing McRoberts with Marvin Williams last season.

Thought about this as well, but ultimately figured (after way too long a deliberation over a decision that will have no impact on what Charlotte actually decides) that Charlotte would see the positive in exchanging Hawes' contract for an expiring so long as Kaminsky or Lyles is still within reach, be it in reach of 16 or a pick they can affordable move up to.

[TheFlex]

On second thought, why aren't the Kings just proposing:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nmla7gr

Kings send: Jason Thompson, Nik Stauskas, Ray McCallum (for salary), Eric Moreland (for salary), #6
Raptors send: Kyle Lowry, Terrence Ross, #20

Kyle Lowry/Darren Collison
Ben McLemore/Terrence Ross
Rudy Gay/Omri Casspi
Carl Landry/Montrezl Harrell
DeMarcus Cousins/Ed Davis