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Re: Kings shopping Gay with eye on Rondo
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2015, 09:48:21 PM »

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I'd find it very hard that the Kings would be able to entice Rondo to join them if they trade Gay away.

Yeah that part didn't make sense to me either.  If you are sac, you want Gay and Cousins in place and then add rondo to them.  Boogie is on record saying he wants to play with Rondo.  Honestly, if I was Sac, I wouldn't trade Boogie or Gay at this point, I would fire the coach who doesn't want boogie, and find a coach that does.

Re: Kings shopping Gay with eye on Rondo
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2015, 09:59:23 PM »

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I'd find it very hard that the Kings would be able to entice Rondo to join them if they trade Gay away.

Yeah that part didn't make sense to me either.  If you are sac, you want Gay and Cousins in place and then add rondo to them.  Boogie is on record saying he wants to play with Rondo.  Honestly, if I was Sac, I wouldn't trade Boogie or Gay at this point,

Ditto.

Resign Gray and sign Rondo to the mini MLE or whatever it is that they will have left, and draft whoever's left of Porzingas, Horzonja and Winslow with the #6 pick. With what I've been reading on this and other blogs over the past week they should be all set with that last move alone ;).
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Re: Kings shopping Gay with eye on Rondo
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2015, 10:06:23 PM »

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I'd find it very hard that the Kings would be able to entice Rondo to join them if they trade Gay away.

Yeah that part didn't make sense to me either.  If you are sac, you want Gay and Cousins in place and then add rondo to them.  Boogie is on record saying he wants to play with Rondo.  Honestly, if I was Sac, I wouldn't trade Boogie or Gay at this point,

Ditto.

Resign Gray and sign Rondo to the mini MLE or whatever it is that they will have left, and draft whoever's left of Porzingas, Horzonja and Winslow with the #6 pick. With what I've been reading on this and other blogs over the past week they should be all set with that last move alone ;).

The part that doesn't make sense to me is that a team needs to "entice" Rondo after the Dallas debacle.  It sounds like it's between the Kings and the Xinjiang Flying Tigers at this point.  I love Rondo, but his stock is at an all time low and the Kings are about to lose Andre Miller, Reggie Evans, Ryan Hollins and Omri Casspi.   Is someone going to outbid them if they offer $5 m / 2 years?

Re: Kings shopping Gay with eye on Rondo
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2015, 12:00:21 AM »

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I'd be up for getting Rudy Gay. 

At the end of the day we need a volume scorer, and he is that.

Re: Kings shopping Gay with eye on Rondo
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2015, 12:18:31 AM »

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Yeah, I'll pass on Rudy Gay.

He's just a slightly more aggressive Jeff Green.

Jeff Green is a huge waste of talent, btw.

Re: Kings shopping Gay with eye on Rondo
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2015, 12:30:22 AM »

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I'd be up for getting Rudy Gay. 

At the end of the day we need a volume scorer, and he is that.
help me out here, my memory on rudy gay is not that good and i am too lazy to figure the answer to this question on my own.

everything i have heard about gay says that he is a volume shooter whose needs to have and shoot the ball. this in turn stagnates the offenses he is on. he is, i have read, a very inefficient scorer.

on defense, i read he has the ability but is inconsistent, not giving effort consistently.

is this accurate? if so, that doesnt sound much like a CBS type of guy.
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Re: Kings shopping Gay with eye on Rondo
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2015, 01:28:32 AM »

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I'd be up for getting Rudy Gay. 

At the end of the day we need a volume scorer, and he is that.
help me out here, my memory on rudy gay is not that good and i am too lazy to figure the answer to this question on my own.

everything i have heard about gay says that he is a volume shooter whose needs to have and shoot the ball. this in turn stagnates the offenses he is on. he is, i have read, a very inefficient scorer.

on defense, i read he has the ability but is inconsistent, not giving effort consistently.

is this accurate? if so, that doesnt sound much like a CBS type of guy.

I'll try my best to answer your questions with objective facts/statistics.

Scoring efficiency
Rudy Gay does pretty much fit the profile of a volume scorer who needs the ball, and an not-very-efficient scorer.  He's averaged 18.5 PPG on 15.5 FGA over his career for an average of 1.19 PTS Per FGA.  This is by no means an efficient number, which indicates that for his career, he hasn't picked up many extra free points via three pointers (1.5 3PM) and free throws (28% free throw rate). 

This year he however he improved significantly as an offensive player.  He scored 21.4 PPG on 16.7 FGA (1.28 PTS Per FGA) which is by no means AMAZING efficiency, but it's decent and is definitely a significant improvement over his career numbers.  This is largely due to his much better Free Throw Rate of 35.2%  (which is excellent) and partly helped by his slight increase in both 3PM (1.7 vs 1.5) and 3P% (36% vs 34%).  He also had the lowest turnover numbers since 2012 (2.7 Turnovers Per 36) and significantly improved his free throw percentage of his career (86% vs career 79%) .  Finally his assist number (3.7 assists per game) was the highest of his career.

The end result of all this is that his Offensive Real-Plus-Minus increased from +0.68 in 2013/14 (20th among active Small Forwards) to +2.86 in 2014/15 (7th among active Small Forwards).  There is no question that Gay showed significant improvement last season and put together the best offensive season of his career.


Defense
Defensively is another story...

In 2013/14 Rudy Gay had a Defensive RPM of +0.85 which ranked him 18th among Active NBA  Small Forwards.  That's actually pretty solid and (since there are 30ish NBA teams) indicates that he was a clear starting caliber defensive player.

In 2014/15 his defensive RPM dropped to -2.46 which ranks him 80th among active Small Forwards - that's a huge drop off, and would rank him as the 7th worst defensive SF in the NBA.

Also before anybody blames this on the Sacramento Kings terrible defense, it's worth noting that DeMarcus Cousins had a Defensive RPM of +4.72 which ranked him second among NBA centers and 4th best among ALL NBA players...despite playing for the same crappy Sacramento team. 

So no, the team is not to blame - Rudy's defense really was that bad.

The Kings did reportedly use him at PF a lot more this year however so that's worth considering - that could have a lot to do with why his offense improved signficantly, and why his defense declined dramatically.

Overall
Overall Rudy had a Net RPM rating of +1.53 in 2013/14 and a net RPM rating of +0.40 in 2014/15 which indicates to that the role change (from a pure SF to more of a stretch PF) hurt him more defensively than it helped him offensively.

He was a bigger help to his team in 2013/14 when he was playing the SF more exclusively.

Hope that little analysis helps a little in giving you a feel for Rudy's game

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Re: Kings shopping Gay with eye on Rondo
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2015, 01:52:08 AM »

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I'd find it very hard that the Kings would be able to entice Rondo to join them if they trade Gay away.

Yeah that part didn't make sense to me either.  If you are sac, you want Gay and Cousins in place and then add rondo to them.  Boogie is on record saying he wants to play with Rondo.  Honestly, if I was Sac, I wouldn't trade Boogie or Gay at this point,

Ditto.

Resign Gray and sign Rondo to the mini MLE or whatever it is that they will have left, and draft whoever's left of Porzingas, Horzonja and Winslow with the #6 pick. With what I've been reading on this and other blogs over the past week they should be all set with that last move alone ;).

The part that doesn't make sense to me is that a team needs to "entice" Rondo after the Dallas debacle.  It sounds like it's between the Kings and the Xinjiang Flying Tigers at this point.  I love Rondo, but his stock is at an all time low and the Kings are about to lose Andre Miller, Reggie Evans, Ryan Hollins and Omri Casspi.   Is someone going to outbid them if they offer $5 m / 2 years?

wow. 2.5million salary. seems like 5 minutes ago people were talking max.
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