Blockbuster trade idea with the Nuggets.

[truthhurts34]

Den receives: Bradley, Sullinger, Wallace exp, 16, 28 and a future pick.

Boston recieves: Lawson and Faried.

We still have our cap space to sign multiple players or a max like Monroe. Maybe even LaMarcus if we're lucky.

Lawson/Thomas
Smart/Young
Crowder/Turner
Faried/Olynyk
Monroe/Zeller

Given denver being reportedly ready to move in from both players and rebuild, I think this is entirely realitsic and works for both sides. Thoughts?

When did you become a Nuggets fan?  This is an awful trade, I would have to think about it without the picks. With the picks it is just awful.

You live in a world where bradley sullinger and Wallace still might be too much for lawson and faried? Are there unicorns there too?

[HomerSapien]

I would rather just draft Bobby Portis at #16 than trade all those pieces for Faried. Or trade up from #28 for Harrell. I could see either being as good or better in 2 years.

Bradley, #16 and #28 are pretty good assets that I'd rather put to use in other ways. We need a center and we need a scoring wing. IMO Kenneth Faried's are a dime a dozen.

[SCeltic34]

TP for the effort, but that's really an underwhelming trade.  Really more lateral than anything.  Not a high impact trade where we get a player we can actually start building around instead of putting peripheral pieces together and hoping to get a star down the line.

That starting lineup doesn't excite me at all, even if it includes a presumed signing of Greg Monroe.  Major floor spacing issues with Smart, Crowder, Faried, and Monroe.  There would be difficulty scoring the ball, not dissimilar to what we saw in the playoffs this year.  Not enough offensive versatility.  The bench would have scoring punch but has major defensive shortcomings.

Faried isn't a good defender and is a downgrade from Sullinger in terms of an overall basketball player.  Still no rim protection.  Our entire PF/C rotation would be weak defensively.  A generous projection is a .500 team at best, possibly a bit higher since we're in the Leastern Conference.

I wanted Lawson before we got IT, but now that we have IT, I'd rather hold off on that.  Again, not interested in Faried at all.

I'd rather stand pat than make this trade, and get a few swings of the bat in this years draft instead.

[HomerSapien]

Upon further review, I'm gonna adjust my comment about the Celtics getting "fleeced". This trade is pretty fair in terms of what is going in both directions.

I just don't love how either player we get back fits into the Celtics future, so it is a trade I definitely hope they don't pursue.

[YoungOne87]

why is everybody here in love with faried?
he is an overpaid unskilled hustling roleplayer...

[PhoSita]

why is everybody here in love with faried?
he is an overpaid unskilled hustling roleplayer...

Take a look at the impact Tristan Thompson is having in the NBA Finals.

[TheFlex]

why is everybody here in love with faried?
he is an overpaid unskilled hustling roleplayer...

Take a look at the impact Tristan Thompson is having in the NBA Finals.

Ironically  about a year ago Zach Lowe wrote an article arguing that guys like Greg Monroe/Tristan Thompson/Faried/Bass (specifically those 4) have skills the league is trending away from. Thompson/Bass ended up playing crucial roles on playoff teams, Monroe became a per possession offensive superstar. If the Nuggets even wanted to trade Faried, he'd go for a top 10 pick I think.

I guess Zach Lowe isn't as perfect as his fans like to think.

[PhoSita]

I guess Zach Lowe isn't as perfect as his fans like to think.

Eh, I read that article, and as I recall Lowe's argument was not that the players mentioned were not valuable.  Rather, the point was that these guys are going to have trouble getting a lot of money on their next deals because of the way the league is trending in terms of outside shooting and floor spacing. 

I still think that's true.  Bass will be lucky to get a full MLE deal this off-season.  Monroe will probably get less significantly less money this off-season than a guy like, say, Gordon Hayward.  Thompson has earned himself a nice paycheck, but it would still be silly for the Cavs to pay him more than $10 million a year.

That's not to say that Thompson's playoff run hasn't been a surprise -- to lots of NBA analysts and pundits, I think -- but I don't think the article you mention really supports the idea that Lowe is somehow less knowledgeable or insightful than "his fans" might think (strange to talk about Lowe that way, as if he's Bill Simmons or something).


Power forwards who lack range are harder to slot into modern rosters.  Doesn't mean they aren't valuable, just means the market for them is less robust than it would have been ten years ago.

[Rosco917]

Smart, Crowder, and Faried...quite a nice core defensive group, they certainly will get after it on D.

I'm not really thinking of Monroe as a center, the problem is he doesn't either. But it would be nice to have his scoring and rebounding, with this peticular group. I can live with Olynyk behind Faried, a good place for KO to be. Hopefully Young takes the next step that you have him penciled in for, Turner could take minutes at the 2 guard too.

I don't know...Why do I feel we just exchanged two nickels for a dime.

[gpap]

Celtics get fleeced in this deal IMO. As long as we have Isaiah I don't like adding Lawson, and to me Faried is an overrated role player. No thanks.

No he's not. He's a very good player.

[Csfan1984]

Celtics get fleeced in this deal IMO. As long as we have Isaiah I don't like adding Lawson, and to me Faried is an overrated role player. No thanks.

No he's not. He's a very good player.

No he's not. He's a good player.

[Iggzilla]

1) When they were the two best players for the Nuggets, they did nothing to make a playoff run so how talented are they really??

They're certainly talented. You're forgetting they're in the stacked West, with a coach that didn't know how to maximize his players' talents (not to mention harboring an obvious dislike of Faried by refusing to give him minutes). Gallinari was sidelined by an injury for almost two seasons as well. I don't doubt their talent and would love them on the Celtics, I'm just worried about Faried's defensive ineptitude.

[konkmv]

Not happenig

[truthhurts34]

Celtics get fleeced in this deal IMO. As long as we have Isaiah I don't like adding Lawson, and to me Faried is an overrated role player. No thanks.

Your post makes no sense, I don't see how the cs get fleeced when we are receiving the two best players in the trade.

Is it the borderline 2nd round pick at 28 that's really tipping the scales for you? Or is it the 16th pick in a draft class that is weaker than usual at that tier?

There's  also nothing overrated about 13/9 averages per game, thats all hard work. Along with his defensive effort, a player like faried would be loved here in boston and fits our culture much more than overweight sully. Who misses substantial time each year due to his terrible conditioning, yet still finds it ok to keep packing on the pounds.

Fleeced they said.

[CFAN38]

I think the trade is a little steep on the Cs side but most good / reasonable trades leave the home town fans feeling they may have over payed.


Actual trade aside I think the roster you have laid out is a poor mix of players.

At Guard Lawson and IT4 are a poor mix as neither has the size to play the and both players command 25+ mpg.

At the PF/C position the fit is also poor. Neither Monroe or Faried create spacing. I am a firm believer that a good NBA offense can survive with no more then one non shooter on the court. Their are always exceptions (IE Rondo and Perk ) but these exceptions require elite talents. Faried or Monroe could make excellent celtics just not together.

Olynyk is there for the floor spacing for our bigs. In fact, the variations stevens has to work with in olynyk, faried, Monroe and zeller is extremely more versatile than you give credit.

I get the notion that people are too obsessed with floor spacing pf. We already have one in olynyk, what does adding more olynyks do really? Faried is the Ying to Kelly's yang and gives us more options depending on matchups plain and simple.

Also this is not some final roster, obviously future moves would be made to further shape our team. The point is to improve it.

I understand your point but in what your proposing the Cs will have long term money committed to a big man pairing that is not a system fit on offense and a poor pairing on defense. Though both are talent upgrades from our current roster their abilities are diminished by one another.