Would Cavs keep Love?

[zubi.anaba]

From the Cavs perspective they don't have any real option other than to sign him.  He's not an ideal fit, but their sign-and-trade options are limited, and they don't have the cap space to sign a replacement if he leaves outright.

Exactly...And the only reason why the fit is funny is cuz of his defense.But hey title teams always have flaws. Bottomline is with this team, the Cavs have a legit shot at a Title for at least the next 3 yrs. Thats all you can ask for really

[celticsclay]

He is not going anywhere

I don't see any evidence that Love is as much of a Beta-male as Chris Bosh and will be content to spend the prime of his career playing third wheel to LeBron and Kyrie.  If you check the stats, he's the only one of three really making a big sacrifice in Cleveland.

Mike

Yeah and for all this talk of calling Bosh a Beta male, he was a part of a Historic 27 win streak team, made 4 str8 NBA Finals and won 2 Titles. Really think Love woudnt trade his big Stats on Lottery for 4 Finals appearances and 2 str8 rings!!!

The sad thing is the Cavs would have had a much better chance of making 4 straight finals if they had kept Wiggins. They really shortened their window with that trade. Wiggins could have defended some teams best players some times if not next year, the year after. He also could have helped ease the scoring load as Lebron ages. Won of the most short sighted trades in recent NBA history.

Yeah this is nonsense. What makes you think  Wiggins would have had the impact he is having in Minny on the Cavs??? Cavs already have ball dominant perimeter players. Wiggins would have to be in the catch and shoot Jr Smith role. He would never have the ball enough to grow the way he is now. Just because he is putting up numbers while losing by 30 a game doesnt mean he is ready for Playoff/Championship bball

Again he is a rookie. He wouldnt be ready for Title expectations at least another 3-4  yrs. Meanwhile the last few yrs of Lebrons prime would be wasting away. Cavs wanna win now. Love wants to win now. Wiggins was just a rookie. It was a win win trade

Compared to the package that other stars have been traded for in recent years, Dwight Howard, James Harden, Carmelo Anthony... it was a complete rip off. The Cavs played full price plus interest for a player who has had a disappointing year. It was definitely not a great trade for the Cavs. It was an amazing trade for the Wolves.

[zubi.anaba]

He is not going anywhere

I don't see any evidence that Love is as much of a Beta-male as Chris Bosh and will be content to spend the prime of his career playing third wheel to LeBron and Kyrie.  If you check the stats, he's the only one of three really making a big sacrifice in Cleveland.

Mike

Yeah and for all this talk of calling Bosh a Beta male, he was a part of a Historic 27 win streak team, made 4 str8 NBA Finals and won 2 Titles. Really think Love woudnt trade his big Stats on Lottery for 4 Finals appearances and 2 str8 rings!!!

The sad thing is the Cavs would have had a much better chance of making 4 straight finals if they had kept Wiggins. They really shortened their window with that trade. Wiggins could have defended some teams best players some times if not next year, the year after. He also could have helped ease the scoring load as Lebron ages. Won of the most short sighted trades in recent NBA history.

Yeah this is nonsense. What makes you think  Wiggins would have had the impact he is having in Minny on the Cavs??? Cavs already have ball dominant perimeter players. Wiggins would have to be in the catch and shoot Jr Smith role. He would never have the ball enough to grow the way he is now. Just because he is putting up numbers while losing by 30 a game doesnt mean he is ready for Playoff/Championship bball

Again he is a rookie. He wouldnt be ready for Title expectations at least another 3-4  yrs. Meanwhile the last few yrs of Lebrons prime would be wasting away. Cavs wanna win now. Love wants to win now. Wiggins was just a rookie. It was a win win trade

Compared to the package that other stars have been traded for in recent years, Dwight Howard, James Harden, Carmelo Anthony... it was a complete rip off. The Cavs played full price plus interest for a player who has had a disappointing year. It was definitely not a great trade for the Cavs. It was an amazing trade for the Wolves.

Hey watever you say dude. All Cavs care about is competing for a title. They can do that with this team for at  the very least the next couple of yrs. Thats all that matters

[celticsclay]

So I am guessing you are a Cavs fan?

[zubi.anaba]

So I am guessing you are a Cavs fan?

Funny enough I am not. I am bball enthusiast that reads tons of forums to further educate myself about the game

I signed up here cuz some of the logic being used in the KLove situation on here was just getting downright unbelievable. It almost like dudes were turning of their brains when discussing the situation

I mean the thread starter literally just said that Cavs would "go out of their way to make Love uncomfy so he can opt-out and leave" while I am thinking "Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.!!! Why on Gods green earth would they do that???"

[celticsclay]

By the way this is not an isolated opinion only held by me

http://nypost.com/2015/02/12/why-cavaliers-might-regret-trading-wiggins-for-love/

[Moranis]

He is not going anywhere

I don't see any evidence that Love is as much of a Beta-male as Chris Bosh and will be content to spend the prime of his career playing third wheel to LeBron and Kyrie.  If you check the stats, he's the only one of three really making a big sacrifice in Cleveland.

Mike

Yeah and for all this talk of calling Bosh a Beta male, he was a part of a Historic 27 win streak team, made 4 str8 NBA Finals and won 2 Titles. Really think Love woudnt trade his big Stats on Lottery for 4 Finals appearances and 2 str8 rings!!!

The sad thing is the Cavs would have had a much better chance of making 4 straight finals if they had kept Wiggins. They really shortened their window with that trade. Wiggins could have defended some teams best players some times if not next year, the year after. He also could have helped ease the scoring load as Lebron ages. Won of the most short sighted trades in recent NBA history.

Yeah this is nonsense. What makes you think  Wiggins would have had the impact he is having in Minny on the Cavs??? Cavs already have ball dominant perimeter players. Wiggins would have to be in the catch and shoot Jr Smith role. He would never have the ball enough to grow the way he is now. Just because he is putting up numbers while losing by 30 a game doesnt mean he is ready for Playoff/Championship bball

Again he is a rookie. He wouldnt be ready for Title expectations at least another 3-4  yrs. Meanwhile the last few yrs of Lebrons prime would be wasting away. Cavs wanna win now. Love wants to win now. Wiggins was just a rookie. It was a win win trade

Compared to the package that other stars have been traded for in recent years, Dwight Howard, James Harden, Carmelo Anthony... it was a complete rip off. The Cavs played full price plus interest for a player who has had a disappointing year. It was definitely not a great trade for the Cavs. It was an amazing trade for the Wolves.

Orlando acquired for Howard - Vucevic, Afflalo, Harkless, Harrington, Eyenga, McRoberts, the pick that became Dario Saric, a pick from the 76ers (likely be a 1st rounder in a couple of seasons), the 2017 1st from LA (top 5 protected or else two seconds), a 2013 2nd round pick, and a 2015 2nd round pick

Denver acquired for Anthony, Billups, Anthony Carter, Balkman, Sheldon Williams, a 2nd rounder - Felton, Chandler, Gallinari, Koufus, Mozgov, the pick that became Dario Saric, option to swap 2016 1sts with NY, two 2nds, and cash

OKC acquired for Harden, Aldrich, Hayward, Cook - Martin, Lamb, the pick that became Adams, the pick that became McGary, and a 2nd rounder

And as a refresher Minnesota acquired for Love - Wiggins, Bennett, and a protected 1st

Harden wasn't at the same level as Howard, Anthony, or Love at the time of the trades and thus it makes sense that OKC got the least value back.  I'd say that Love probably had the highest return, but that is only because Wiggins has looked pretty good.  He could get hurt like Gallinari and derail that trade entirely.  Orlando got a ton of value for Howard.  I'd say pretty darn close to what Minnesota got for Love. 

[zubi.anaba]

By the way this is not an isolated opinion only held by me

http://nypost.com/2015/02/12/why-cavaliers-might-regret-trading-wiggins-for-love/

Yeah I am suppose to read NY artticles about how Kevin Love is unhappy or how Lebron hates/ is frustrated with KLove according to sources!!! !!! Out of everyone in the world it is def the NY post that will have the scoop on the Klove situation

By the way that is dated Feb 12th. Between around that time and now CAvs have one of the best records in the league including beating All top Western contenders (Apart from Houston which was an OT game without Kyrie).

AGain CAvs with this team have a legit shot at the title for the next couple of yrs. ***Thats all that matters yooo*** ( in a Carlos Boozer voice)

[celticsclay]

He is not going anywhere

I don't see any evidence that Love is as much of a Beta-male as Chris Bosh and will be content to spend the prime of his career playing third wheel to LeBron and Kyrie.  If you check the stats, he's the only one of three really making a big sacrifice in Cleveland.

Mike

Yeah and for all this talk of calling Bosh a Beta male, he was a part of a Historic 27 win streak team, made 4 str8 NBA Finals and won 2 Titles. Really think Love woudnt trade his big Stats on Lottery for 4 Finals appearances and 2 str8 rings!!!

The sad thing is the Cavs would have had a much better chance of making 4 straight finals if they had kept Wiggins. They really shortened their window with that trade. Wiggins could have defended some teams best players some times if not next year, the year after. He also could have helped ease the scoring load as Lebron ages. Won of the most short sighted trades in recent NBA history.

Yeah this is nonsense. What makes you think  Wiggins would have had the impact he is having in Minny on the Cavs??? Cavs already have ball dominant perimeter players. Wiggins would have to be in the catch and shoot Jr Smith role. He would never have the ball enough to grow the way he is now. Just because he is putting up numbers while losing by 30 a game doesnt mean he is ready for Playoff/Championship bball

Again he is a rookie. He wouldnt be ready for Title expectations at least another 3-4  yrs. Meanwhile the last few yrs of Lebrons prime would be wasting away. Cavs wanna win now. Love wants to win now. Wiggins was just a rookie. It was a win win trade

Compared to the package that other stars have been traded for in recent years, Dwight Howard, James Harden, Carmelo Anthony... it was a complete rip off. The Cavs played full price plus interest for a player who has had a disappointing year. It was definitely not a great trade for the Cavs. It was an amazing trade for the Wolves.

Orlando acquired for Howard - Vucevic, Afflalo, Harkless, Harrington, Eyenga, McRoberts, the pick that became Dario Saric, a pick from the 76ers (likely be a 1st rounder in a couple of seasons), the 2017 1st from LA (top 5 protected or else two seconds), a 2013 2nd round pick, and a 2015 2nd round pick

Denver acquired for Anthony, Billups, Anthony Carter, Balkman, Sheldon Williams, a 2nd rounder - Felton, Chandler, Gallinari, Koufus, Mozgov, the pick that became Dario Saric, option to swap 2016 1sts with NY, two 2nds, and cash

OKC acquired for Harden, Aldrich, Hayward, Cook - Martin, Lamb, the pick that became Adams, the pick that became McGary, and a 2nd rounder

And as a refresher Minnesota acquired for Love - Wiggins, Bennett, and a protected 1st

Harden wasn't at the same level as Howard, Anthony, or Love at the time of the trades and thus it makes sense that OKC got the least value back.  I'd say that Love probably had the highest return, but that is only because Wiggins has looked pretty good.  He could get hurt like Gallinari and derail that trade entirely.  Orlando got a ton of value for Howard.  I'd say pretty darn close to what Minnesota got for Love.

Man after your comparisons from yesterday of Tony Parker and Prince as guys that didn't foul as explanations for Lebron's fouling rate  I don't really feel like engaging with you is worth it. That just got too silly for me. Cheers

[CelticGuardian]

Will he can risk his value going down spending the next 2 years in Cleveland... who cares?

He sealed his fate after the trade. His legacy will just be another subplot in LeBron's.

[More Banners]

Well, the mid season trade for Moscov and emergence of Thompson might suggest they could trade ddown to a mid level stretch 4 without giving up much. I mean, put our Jerebko in Love's spot, and are the Cavs much

Perhaps he opts in and gets traded? 

[celticsclay]

Well, the mid season trade for Moscov and emergence of Thompson might suggest they could trade ddown to a mid level stretch 4 without giving up much. I mean, put our Jerebko in Love's spot, and are the Cavs much

Perhaps he opts in and gets traded?

Can you opt-in and fit out?

[Moranis]

He is not going anywhere

I don't see any evidence that Love is as much of a Beta-male as Chris Bosh and will be content to spend the prime of his career playing third wheel to LeBron and Kyrie.  If you check the stats, he's the only one of three really making a big sacrifice in Cleveland.

Mike

Yeah and for all this talk of calling Bosh a Beta male, he was a part of a Historic 27 win streak team, made 4 str8 NBA Finals and won 2 Titles. Really think Love woudnt trade his big Stats on Lottery for 4 Finals appearances and 2 str8 rings!!!

The sad thing is the Cavs would have had a much better chance of making 4 straight finals if they had kept Wiggins. They really shortened their window with that trade. Wiggins could have defended some teams best players some times if not next year, the year after. He also could have helped ease the scoring load as Lebron ages. Won of the most short sighted trades in recent NBA history.

Yeah this is nonsense. What makes you think  Wiggins would have had the impact he is having in Minny on the Cavs??? Cavs already have ball dominant perimeter players. Wiggins would have to be in the catch and shoot Jr Smith role. He would never have the ball enough to grow the way he is now. Just because he is putting up numbers while losing by 30 a game doesnt mean he is ready for Playoff/Championship bball

Again he is a rookie. He wouldnt be ready for Title expectations at least another 3-4  yrs. Meanwhile the last few yrs of Lebrons prime would be wasting away. Cavs wanna win now. Love wants to win now. Wiggins was just a rookie. It was a win win trade

Compared to the package that other stars have been traded for in recent years, Dwight Howard, James Harden, Carmelo Anthony... it was a complete rip off. The Cavs played full price plus interest for a player who has had a disappointing year. It was definitely not a great trade for the Cavs. It was an amazing trade for the Wolves.

Orlando acquired for Howard - Vucevic, Afflalo, Harkless, Harrington, Eyenga, McRoberts, the pick that became Dario Saric, a pick from the 76ers (likely be a 1st rounder in a couple of seasons), the 2017 1st from LA (top 5 protected or else two seconds), a 2013 2nd round pick, and a 2015 2nd round pick

Denver acquired for Anthony, Billups, Anthony Carter, Balkman, Sheldon Williams, a 2nd rounder - Felton, Chandler, Gallinari, Koufus, Mozgov, the pick that became Dario Saric, option to swap 2016 1sts with NY, two 2nds, and cash

OKC acquired for Harden, Aldrich, Hayward, Cook - Martin, Lamb, the pick that became Adams, the pick that became McGary, and a 2nd rounder

And as a refresher Minnesota acquired for Love - Wiggins, Bennett, and a protected 1st

Harden wasn't at the same level as Howard, Anthony, or Love at the time of the trades and thus it makes sense that OKC got the least value back.  I'd say that Love probably had the highest return, but that is only because Wiggins has looked pretty good.  He could get hurt like Gallinari and derail that trade entirely.  Orlando got a ton of value for Howard.  I'd say pretty darn close to what Minnesota got for Love.

Man after your comparisons from yesterday of Tony Parker and Prince as guys that didn't foul as explanations for Lebron's fouling rate  I don't really feel like engaging with you is worth it. That just got too silly for me. Cheers

Considering I didn't use Parker and Prince as explanations for Lebron's fouling rate, it seems pretty obvious you didn't read them.

But I'm pretty confused as to why you think Orlando got hosed in trading Howard.  I mean Vucevic is basically a 20/10 center.  Afflalo is a pretty darn good SG.  They picked up 3 future 1sts only one of which has been drafted (Saric which they traded for a future 1st for Payton).  Harkless and McRoberts are solid rotation players.  That seems like pretty good value to me and I'm not sure I wouldn't rather have that package than basically Wiggins and a late 1st round pick.