Avery Bradley and his contract..

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Rotation player on championship contender.  Good dude, good work ethic.

What's that worth?

Definitely not less than full MLE, for starters.  And that's for starters...multiple offers at that rate.

Bradley isn't an overpay; the question is whether he should have been on the radar at all.

Not knowing at the beginning of FA what would play out later in the trade market, can't blame DA on this one.

The only question now is whether he is as on the table and perhaps being marketed as Thornton and Bass are.

[kozlodoev]

Rotation player on championship contender.  Good dude, good work ethic.

What's that worth?

Definitely not less than full MLE, for starters.  And that's for starters...multiple offers at that rate.

Bradley isn't an overpay; the question is whether he should have been on the radar at all.

Not knowing at the beginning of FA what would play out later in the trade market, can't blame DA on this one.

The only question now is whether he is as on the table and perhaps being marketed as Thornton and Bass are.

So given that Ainge beat the MLE by, like 40%, who was he bidding against on this one exactly?

[jmen788]

I don't get all the eagerness to get rid of Bradley's contract...

Don't get me wrong, I didn't like the deal at all. I thought 4 years 24 million would be an overpay. I think he's worth 5 million a year tops for what our longterm plans are.

BUT, we have so much cap space for this offseason and 2016 regardless of his contract.. so why dump him for just an expiring or garbage? Just hold onto him until we can get something decent back for him. I mean... it's not like we are going to need that extra 8 million to side 3 max FAs.

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Rotation player on championship contender.  Good dude, good work ethic.

What's that worth?

Definitely not less than full MLE, for starters.  And that's for starters...multiple offers at that rate.

Bradley isn't an overpay; the question is whether he should have been on the radar at all.

Not knowing at the beginning of FA what would play out later in the trade market, can't blame DA on this one.

The only question now is whether he is as on the table and perhaps being marketed as Thornton and Bass are.

So given that Ainge beat the MLE by, like 40%, who was he bidding against on this one exactly?

While I understand your interest in asking, I am bound by a very tight confidentiality agreement.

 

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I don't really follow the venom for the Bradley deal.

I think people think he over paid him.   That is where the most the animus comes from.  Bradley is 24, he should be coming into his prime in a two years.   What we see now isn't always encouraging.  You make him seem like he is a rookie but he has been in the league five years.

I didn't think it was because of the color paper it was printed on. And put words in your own mouth -- I called Bradley a young player, and that's what he is.

[Kevin OConnor]

My reply to all of this:
www.celticsblog.com/2014/10/21/6847457/avery-bradley-contract-will-look-like-a-bargain-when-its-all-said-and-done-nba-boston-celtics

[kozlodoev]

My reply to all of this:
www.celticsblog.com/2014/10/21/6847457/avery-bradley-contract-will-look-like-a-bargain-when-its-all-said-and-done-nba-boston-celtics

You lost me at the "massive" contracts of Meeks ($6.3 million per annum) and Miles ($4.5 million per year). Both of them are providing Avery Bradley type of production for a fraction of what we're paying Avery Bradley.

[SHAQATTACK]

Avery maybe the GMs ...teachers pet ....

[hwangjini_1]

My reply to all of this:
www.celticsblog.com/2014/10/21/6847457/avery-bradley-contract-will-look-like-a-bargain-when-its-all-said-and-done-nba-boston-celtics

You lost me at the "massive" contracts of Meeks ($6.3 million per annum) and Miles ($4.5 million per year). Both of them are providing Avery Bradley type of production for a fraction of what we're paying Avery Bradley.

you raise a good question on whom ainge was bidding against. but on the comparisons above, are there enough differences with bradley that significant to warrant this much concern and vexation on the overpay?

bradley makes $7.2 million this year, which compared to meeks is just under a million dollars extra. bradley is 3 years younger than meeks. recent scoring is almost a wash, though bradley's other stats are marginally better. so, ainge's choice for bradley in this context could be understood. similar stats, bradley 3 years younger and already at meeks' production, bradley has POTENTIAl to improve since he has not yet reached his best years...in theory. plus, i dont know meeks' defense, but bradley is pretty good.

on miles, you have a stronger case. miles makes almost $3 million less than bradley. now we are talking an amount that might be important.  though again, miles is 3 years older than bradley. their stats are comparable, though bradley nudges ahead in recent scoring. i confess ignorance on miles' defense as well. but, again, we know bradley on defense.

so, the differences in salary among bradley, miles, and meeks varies from small to significant. the countable stats i looked at are roughly comparable. but edge to bradley in being 3 years younger and matching miles/meeks stats at an earlier age.

final point to consider is defense, which i cant speak too for miles and meeks. are they roughly comparable in their defense? if not, then another edge to bradley.

so, yeah, they all are comparable in many ways, but i still do not see a stunning difference that shouts bradley is a dramatically bad overpay by comparison. no one here denies bradley, for now, is getting more money than he should. i think the discussion has evolved into how dramatic and impactful the over pay is.

[Csfan1984]

At the time I did not feel it was an overpay because I expected more growth from AB. Growth projection aside just going off production some nights he has looked like a 8 million dollar player but they are rare. Think 5-6 million level is about what he has been giving right now. Still hope he develops. So far his #s are down from last year but I wonder if it is the because of the team.

[LarBrd33]

I Hate it more than anything else in this team right now.  Do you think it can hurt us cap-wise down the road? and\or potentially hinder us from acquiring a max-player at the 2 guard spot?

Yes it can hurt our flexibility significantly.  I hope we can find a way to dump it.

Or it cannot. Once Wallace's contract is up by 2016 the cap will rise significantly, making the Bradley deal a huge bargain. Ainge overpaid for him but other teams overpaid for players much older than Bradley and have probably peaked as players. AB has at least 2 or 3 more years to reach his peak (I don't think a substantial improvement but maybe a better FG% and better handles). 8 million in the new TV deal will be cake to move if Danny decides that Avery isn't suited  to our needs anymore. Hopefully someone like James Young emerges as our actual SG of the future or maybe we can land an up and coming SG via FA or trade. Or we can simply draft one that has a bigger upside than AB. We'll be fine.

There's no way that paying 8 million dollars for a backup guard is a "bargain".  I'm sorry, but I feel like this is just some garbage we've collectively told ourselves to defend an otherwise terrible signing.    "Well the cap is gonna raise... so it's ok to pay a backup guard 8 million per year!"... No, it isn't.  It's a bad contract.  I hope we can dump it.

[Rondo9]

I Hate it more than anything else in this team right now.  Do you think it can hurt us cap-wise down the road? and\or potentially hinder us from acquiring a max-player at the 2 guard spot?

Yes it can hurt our flexibility significantly.  I hope we can find a way to dump it.

Or it cannot. Once Wallace's contract is up by 2016 the cap will rise significantly, making the Bradley deal a huge bargain. Ainge overpaid for him but other teams overpaid for players much older than Bradley and have probably peaked as players. AB has at least 2 or 3 more years to reach his peak (I don't think a substantial improvement but maybe a better FG% and better handles). 8 million in the new TV deal will be cake to move if Danny decides that Avery isn't suited  to our needs anymore. Hopefully someone like James Young emerges as our actual SG of the future or maybe we can land an up and coming SG via FA or trade. Or we can simply draft one that has a bigger upside than AB. We'll be fine.

There's no way that paying 8 million dollars for a backup guard is a "bargain".  I'm sorry, but I feel like this is just some garbage we've collectively told ourselves to defend an otherwise terrible signing.    "Well the cap is gonna raise... so it's ok to pay a backup guard 8 million per year!"... No, it isn't.  It's a bad contract.  I hope we can dump it.

Bradley is good enough to start on some teams, YOU think this a terrible deal but Danny didn't.

[coco]

AB contract is not a big deal.  DA can trade AB with his eyes closed.  No sweat.