Nets for Sale

[SHAQATTACK]

I was wrong, this IS where we should start a Kickstarter.

Lets all buy the Nets. 

On a serious note. How fast do anyone think this team can be sold? I mean, this is New York. Large market.

I claim KG ......he is cool .   

[saltlover]

If new ownership fires Billy King (and new owners often like to clean house), that makes the Nets likely to be better than they would be if they keep King as GM.  So, the Nets being sold probably has a negative effect on the value of the picks owned by the Celtics.

Probably helps the 2016 pick.  This sale probably won't happen overnight, and it's not clear that a new front office could be at full steam heading into the offseason.  And as someone else noted, a new GM might be given time to actually rebuild a bit, and encouraged to acquire picks and preserve salary room for a couple years.  The Nets aren't really a quick fix away.

[footey]

I predict that our next great superstar will come from one of the Net picks.  Those picks will likely be more valuable, given the dreadful future of the Nets, than our own.

[fantankerous]

If new ownership fires Billy King (and new owners often like to clean house), that makes the Nets likely to be better than they would be if they keep King as GM.  So, the Nets being sold probably has a negative effect on the value of the picks owned by the Celtics.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.  Outside of hiring Isaiah Thomas, a new FO is the last thing the Celtics want in Brooklyn.

[Celtics4ever]

 Prokhorov gave it one try , he mortaged the future for one shot, it failed.  The rest is history one has to wonder how much of his wealth is based off oil futures.

[obnoxiousmime]

I don't think it matters that much who is in charge. The fact remains they have no reason to totally bottom out when they don't own their own draft pick in 2015-2018 (Atlanta swap, Boston, Boston swap, Boston) or whenever it all ends. The teams that are at the bottom and have a realistic shot at a top 3 finish in the lottery are there intentionally. If you have the cap space and the intention of not being horrible it's easy to avoid being at the very bottom, especially in the horrid East. That's why I said the Celts best chance at a top pick from the Nets is in 2016 when they will still be saddled with the Johnson, Williams, and Lopez deals or whatever pond scum they can acquire in a deal for one of those currently low-valued assets. After 2016 Lopez and Johnson will be off the books and they will finally be under the cap, in addition to the expected cap rise they will be in a position to spend. Now, they will probably be rebuffed by the top free agents because the team is bad despite being in a good location but with no tanking incentive they will probably just overpay whichever 2nd or 3rd tier FAs they can get their hands on. That may be enough to ensure mediocrity as opposed to outright sucktitude that we would need to get a top draft pick back.

2016 is our best shot but obviously a lot can happen between now and 2016-2018. A devastating injury or two always helps too. Barring that, I just don't think it's realistic to expect a total collapse. More likely the picks end up in the 8-16 range. That'd still be a pretty great return but lets pump the brakes on the top 3 lottery picks in 2017-2018 talk.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I don't think it matters that much who is in charge. The fact remains they have no reason to totally bottom out when they don't own their own draft pick in 2015-2018 (Atlanta swap, Boston, Boston swap, Boston) or whenever it all ends. The teams that are at the bottom and have a realistic shot at a top 3 finish in the lottery are there intentionally. If you have the cap space and the intention of not being horrible it's easy to avoid being at the very bottom, especially in the horrid East. That's why I said the Celts best chance at a top pick from the Nets is in 2016 when they will still be saddled with the Johnson, Williams, and Lopez deals or whatever pond scum they can acquire in a deal for one of those currently low-valued assets. After 2016 Lopez and Johnson will be off the books and they will finally be under the cap, in addition to the expected cap rise they will be in a position to spend. Now, they will probably be rebuffed by the top free agents because the team is bad despite being in a good location but with no tanking incentive they will probably just overpay whichever 2nd or 3rd tier FAs they can get their hands on. That may be enough to ensure mediocrity as opposed to outright sucktitude that we would need to get a top draft pick back.

2016 is our best shot but obviously a lot can happen between now and 2016-2018. A devastating injury or two always helps too. Barring that, I just don't think it's realistic to expect a total collapse. More likely the picks end up in the 8-16 range. That'd still be a pretty great return but lets pump the brakes on the top 3 lottery picks in 2017-2018 talk.

They don't need a reason to bottom out, the way they are constructed may decide for them. Just because they want a good team or even a team that just slides into the playoffs doesn't mean it will happen. Even when we didn't get Love, I believe DA thought we would be good enough to make the playoffs... the way he talked after the RR and Green trades, he seemed almost sad that we were so bad. We had more assets than BKN and we still couldn't put a good team on the court. BKN wont be the only team with money to spend in the next few years, a lot of teams who have been bad for a while will be looking to improve too. I don't care where the Nets are located, you got to overpay or have good players that want to come to a bad team. DWill is probably going to bring much less value than RR, Lopez might have solid value but he can stay on the court long enough to tell, JJ has value but costs a lot to obtain. 

[LooseCannon]

If new ownership fires Billy King (and new owners often like to clean house), that makes the Nets likely to be better than they would be if they keep King as GM.  So, the Nets being sold probably has a negative effect on the value of the picks owned by the Celtics.

Depends, a new GM might be more aggressive about selling to recoup some draft picks.

Billy King is horrible.  The best way for the Celtics to benefit from a sale is for King to end up as the GM of another team with more assets that Ainge can trade a bag of magic beans for.

[PickNRoll]

Prokhorov gave it one try , he mortaged the future for one shot, it failed.  The rest is history one has to wonder how much of his wealth is based off oil futures.

No matter where he got his wealth, this was a brilliant play.  He paid $200M for the team.   According to Forbes, they lost an average of 19M per year and have a valuation of 780M.

[PickNRoll]

I don't think it matters that much who is in charge. The fact remains they have no reason to totally bottom out when they don't own their own draft pick in 2015-2018 (Atlanta swap, Boston, Boston swap, Boston) or whenever it all ends. The teams that are at the bottom and have a realistic shot at a top 3 finish in the lottery are there intentionally. If you have the cap space and the intention of not being horrible it's easy to avoid being at the very bottom, especially in the horrid East. That's why I said the Celts best chance at a top pick from the Nets is in 2016 when they will still be saddled with the Johnson, Williams, and Lopez deals or whatever pond scum they can acquire in a deal for one of those currently low-valued assets. After 2016 Lopez and Johnson will be off the books and they will finally be under the cap, in addition to the expected cap rise they will be in a position to spend. Now, they will probably be rebuffed by the top free agents because the team is bad despite being in a good location but with no tanking incentive they will probably just overpay whichever 2nd or 3rd tier FAs they can get their hands on. That may be enough to ensure mediocrity as opposed to outright sucktitude that we would need to get a top draft pick back.

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Agree with all of this.  I can't believe BKN was reluctant to give up Plumlee in trade deals that would've unloaded Johnson and Williams.  They should do anything to regain some flexibility.

[Surferdad]

I don't think it matters that much who is in charge. The fact remains they have no reason to totally bottom out when they don't own their own draft pick in 2015-2018 (Atlanta swap, Boston, Boston swap, Boston) or whenever it all ends. The teams that are at the bottom and have a realistic shot at a top 3 finish in the lottery are there intentionally. If you have the cap space and the intention of not being horrible it's easy to avoid being at the very bottom, especially in the horrid East. That's why I said the Celts best chance at a top pick from the Nets is in 2016 when they will still be saddled with the Johnson, Williams, and Lopez deals or whatever pond scum they can acquire in a deal for one of those currently low-valued assets. After 2016 Lopez and Johnson will be off the books and they will finally be under the cap, in addition to the expected cap rise they will be in a position to spend. Now, they will probably be rebuffed by the top free agents because the team is bad despite being in a good location but with no tanking incentive they will probably just overpay whichever 2nd or 3rd tier FAs they can get their hands on. That may be enough to ensure mediocrity as opposed to outright sucktitude that we would need to get a top draft pick back.

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Agree with all of this.  I can't believe BKN was reluctant to give up Plumlee in trade deals that would've unloaded Johnson and Williams.  They should do anything to regain some flexibility.

If true, they are fools. Plumlee is just not that good, certainly can't build a team around him.

[oldtype]

If anything, the Nets getting a sane owner and competent GM might actually be better for us because the optimal play for that organization right now is to dump every single salable asset they have for flexibility and draft picks so they can get out of this purgatory as soon as possible.

They're not going to overpay second-tier free agents and mortgage even more of their future just to spite us.