ohhhhhhh no Rondo

[sed522002]

Rondo was an upgrade, but not a need for the Mavs. They don't rebound well as a team, Dirk can't guard anybody and he's missing (like most of the team) open shots. I don't think they fair well against some of the more athletic teams of the West.
 It's funny we have this thread after they lose a couple of games, but everyone moved on when they were on a winning streak. Oh well.

[ssspence]

Adding Rondo isn't enough for Dallas to be a WC contender. And I don't really follow why they want to lock up Rondo long term, unless they see him as a stronger building block than Ellis (which IMO would be pretty strange).

But Donnie Nelson is one of the best in the biz. I'm sure he has his reasons.

[Vermont Green]

The team has tremendous potential.  When everyone gets on the same page and starts playing competitively, they'll be hard to beat.  It starts with Dirk, Monta, and Rondo.   When they're all playing at their full potential, the problems will go away and they'll beat anyone.

Rondo proved against Boston that he can score.  Why he doesn't do it always is baffling.  The Mavs are beginning to look undisciplined.  No one but Tyson is playing consistently, and he could score more.  This is coaching.  If Kidd can get those no name players on his team to beat contenders, the Mavs inability to do it is just ridiculous.  Carlisle needs to make them earn minutes.  No effort, no playing time.  Starting with Dirk.

Plus his inability to hit a shot removes the spacing needed for the other players to be successful. And now Brandon Wright will be flying high for Phoenix. All in all, a well meaning move but big mistake, like I said when the trade happened.

I wonder what makes Rondo shoot the ball so badly.

He's not any good.

Interesting quotes from Mav fans after an article about their loss to LAC.

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/4-in-the-morning-mavericks-growing-pains-are-magnified-against-better-competition.html/

Welcome to the world of Rajon Rondo.

[pearljammer10]

I think his mediocrity on a second team should make it very difficult to fetch a max contract. Who would give him max money?  Seriously.  You don't pay max money to a guy who shows up for a handful of games each month. 

He's still solid, though. I'd consider bringing him back this summer on a reasonable contract. It's great we got a bunch of picks for him... It makes building around him easier. And rondo no longer has any leverage over us. If he truly wants to be part of this organization (as he publicly said on numerous occasions) he can come back on a realistic contract. Otherwise... we good.  We can give the money to someone else. Whatevs.

Don't most NBA players only show up for a handful of games each month? Maybe not to the extent we've seen with Rondo, but max players cash in games all the time. We've seen LeBron do it, Melo, Kobe etc...

[LarBrd33]

A graphic someone made, I'm not sure who. If they drop off offensively, but that defensive improvement is permanent, I sincerely doubt Cuban and Carlisle wouldn't take that. No team in a while has won a title without a top 10 defense, excluding the 01 Lakers and we all know how that ended.

thats weird. When I look at the splits myself I wasn't seeing these same numbers.  Offensively they were worse.  Defensively they were about the same.

[fairweatherfan]

A graphic someone made, I'm not sure who. If they drop off offensively, but that defensive improvement is permanent, I sincerely doubt Cuban and Carlisle wouldn't take that. No team in a while has won a title without a top 10 defense, excluding the 01 Lakers and we all know how that ended.

thats weird. When I look at the splits myself I wasn't seeing these same numbers.  Offensively they were worse.  Defensively they were about the same.

These stats are pace-adjusted, yours don't appear to be. 

[Eddie20]

The team has tremendous potential.  When everyone gets on the same page and starts playing competitively, they'll be hard to beat.  It starts with Dirk, Monta, and Rondo.   When they're all playing at their full potential, the problems will go away and they'll beat anyone.

Rondo proved against Boston that he can score.  Why he doesn't do it always is baffling.  The Mavs are beginning to look undisciplined.  No one but Tyson is playing consistently, and he could score more.  This is coaching.  If Kidd can get those no name players on his team to beat contenders, the Mavs inability to do it is just ridiculous.  Carlisle needs to make them earn minutes.  No effort, no playing time.  Starting with Dirk.

Plus his inability to hit a shot removes the spacing needed for the other players to be successful. And now Brandon Wright will be flying high for Phoenix. All in all, a well meaning move but big mistake, like I said when the trade happened.

I wonder what makes Rondo shoot the ball so badly.

He's not any good.

Interesting quotes from Mav fans after an article about their loss to LAC.

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/4-in-the-morning-mavericks-growing-pains-are-magnified-against-better-competition.html/

Welcome to the world of Rajon Rondo.

Yeah, echoing most of our thoughts. He's a very frustrating player to watch. Sometimes he looks like a star, other times he looks like a disinterested scrub.

[D.o.s.]

A graphic someone made, I'm not sure who. If they drop off offensively, but that defensive improvement is permanent, I sincerely doubt Cuban and Carlisle wouldn't take that. No team in a while has won a title without a top 10 defense, excluding the 01 Lakers and we all know how that ended.

thats weird. When I look at the splits myself I wasn't seeing these same numbers.  Offensively they were worse.  Defensively they were about the same.

These stats are pace-adjusted, yours don't appear to be.

More like face adjusted, am I right?!

[timpiker]

I always thought Rondo could be great but looking back, he went into the dumper when he got injured 3 years ago.  I think he's probably back physically but he just takes off mentally way too much.  He only tries hard when he feels like it.  He hasn't stayed in front of his man and kept him out of the lane for years.  I'm glad he's gone.  His attitude could be poison to young players.  I'm sure Brad Stevens would've liked to kick Rondo in the ass a few times but because he's established, probably was afraid to.  Just speculation.

[tarheelsxxiii]

It's not the playoffs... wait till he goes beast mode/cares (i.e., in his return to Boston).

[TheFlex]

Rondo proved against Boston that he can score.  Why he doesn't do it always is baffling.  The Mavs are beginning to look undisciplined.  No one but Tyson is playing consistently, and he could score more.  This is coaching.  If Kidd can get those no name players on his team to beat contenders, the Mavs inability to do it is just ridiculous.  Carlisle needs to make them earn minutes.  No effort, no playing time.  Starting with Dirk.

This sounds like our Celtic teams between 2010 and 2013 with Rondo at the helm. I don't want to say this as fact because there's nothing to really back it up, but in your typical NBA game (i.e. regular season, locally broadcasted), Rondo teams seem to play more lethargically than teams led by other superstars. It's angering to see first-hand.

[RJ87]

I think his mediocrity on a second team should make it very difficult to fetch a max contract. Who would give him max money?  Seriously.  You don't pay max money to a guy who shows up for a handful of games each month. 

He's still solid, though. I'd consider bringing him back this summer on a reasonable contract. It's great we got a bunch of picks for him... It makes building around him easier. And rondo no longer has any leverage over us. If he truly wants to be part of this organization (as he publicly said on numerous occasions) he can come back on a realistic contract. Otherwise... we good.  We can give the money to someone else. Whatevs.

Don't most NBA players only show up for a handful of games each month? Maybe not to the extent we've seen with Rondo, but max players cash in games all the time. We've seen LeBron do it, Melo, Kobe etc...

Lebron cops to going into "chill mode" while his stacked team is struggling.

The team has tremendous potential.  When everyone gets on the same page and starts playing competitively, they'll be hard to beat.  It starts with Dirk, Monta, and Rondo.   When they're all playing at their full potential, the problems will go away and they'll beat anyone.

Rondo proved against Boston that he can score.  Why he doesn't do it always is baffling.  The Mavs are beginning to look undisciplined.  No one but Tyson is playing consistently, and he could score more.  This is coaching.  If Kidd can get those no name players on his team to beat contenders, the Mavs inability to do it is just ridiculous.  Carlisle needs to make them earn minutes.  No effort, no playing time.  Starting with Dirk.

Plus his inability to hit a shot removes the spacing needed for the other players to be successful. And now Brandon Wright will be flying high for Phoenix. All in all, a well meaning move but big mistake, like I said when the trade happened.

I wonder what makes Rondo shoot the ball so badly.

He's not any good.

Interesting quotes from Mav fans after an article about their loss to LAC.

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/4-in-the-morning-mavericks-growing-pains-are-magnified-against-better-competition.html/

Welcome to the world of Rajon Rondo.

Hh wow, random blog commentators making snap judgments in the moment? What a completely new concept. the funny thing is if you go to our fellow SB Nation blog, that take on him there isn't nearly as negative because their willing to delve deeper than the almighty "Eye Test". The actually posted in interesting article today- http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2015/1/11/7526129/roundtable-breaking-down-rajon-rondos-impact-in-mavericks-offense - a few highlights:

I think he's fit surprisingly well. I was skeptical of Rondo's fit, but certainly not his talent. That the offense hasn't slowed much is a testament to both Rondo and Carlisle's conceptual understanding of NBA level basketball. There are obviously the spacing problems from time to time, but the offense occasionally went to hell before the trade. It's going to happen from time to time.

He's made the team better, but as Detroit exposed last week, the Mavericks are an incomplete team. Greg Smith really is a solid player, but he's almost a relic from a bygone era. He just has no explosiveness to his game and Dallas is geared around having an explosive center.

Overall, there isn't any doubt that Rondo has made Dallas a better team. The defensive improvement has been drastic, and the offense is still figuring itself out. Furthermore, Rick Carlisle has been forced to really analyze what sort of pieces he has on his bench.

[sed522002]

The team has tremendous potential.  When everyone gets on the same page and starts playing competitively, they'll be hard to beat.  It starts with Dirk, Monta, and Rondo.   When they're all playing at their full potential, the problems will go away and they'll beat anyone.

Rondo proved against Boston that he can score.  Why he doesn't do it always is baffling.  The Mavs are beginning to look undisciplined.  No one but Tyson is playing consistently, and he could score more.  This is coaching.  If Kidd can get those no name players on his team to beat contenders, the Mavs inability to do it is just ridiculous.  Carlisle needs to make them earn minutes.  No effort, no playing time.  Starting with Dirk.

Plus his inability to hit a shot removes the spacing needed for the other players to be successful. And now Brandon Wright will be flying high for Phoenix. All in all, a well meaning move but big mistake, like I said when the trade happened.

I wonder what makes Rondo shoot the ball so badly.

He's not any good.

Interesting quotes from Mav fans after an article about their loss to LAC.

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/4-in-the-morning-mavericks-growing-pains-are-magnified-against-better-competition.html/

Welcome to the world of Rajon Rondo.

This is nothing new with any player. Hell when the Cavs were on that losing streak a month ago some of the posters on their blog were saying maybe they were better WITHOUT Lebron, he was coasting, etc. That's just the thing that people post after a loss. Then after a win it's like "Ah this was the best trade ever". Nothing unusual at all.

I also looked on their blog and someone posted that Dwight Powell should start over Tyson Chandler  ..lol

[tarheelsxxiii]

thats not a problem as long as they reach the playoffs - once there he will most likely shift to his 6th gear

if he can do that I'm sure not too many will complain in Dallas

"as long as they reach the playoffs"

They may not. Wouldn't that be sweet for the Celtics?

Yeah, 26-12 and they might miss the playoffs. Your hysterical Rondo hate knows no bounds.

I don't see that as a knock on Rondo, just the realities of the playoff landscape in the West. With OKC healthy someone likely drops, a prolonged stretch of .500 ball from any of the top 8 teams could be devastating. And Rondo link aside, why wouldn't you want them out of the playoffs as a Celtics fan? We'd get their pick!

Yea, probably the Suns. Which makes their top 13 protected pick go bye-bye for us. 

[kozlodoev]

thats not a problem as long as they reach the playoffs - once there he will most likely shift to his 6th gear

if he can do that I'm sure not too many will complain in Dallas

"as long as they reach the playoffs"

They may not. Wouldn't that be sweet for the Celtics?

Yeah, 26-12 and they might miss the playoffs. Your hysterical Rondo hate knows no bounds.

Given that their 26-12 record places them 5th in the conference and 6 games up on the 9th spot, this statement is not as outlandish as it may seem to you.

Also, with this trade they put themselves one big man injury away from being in serious trouble.